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    I was very disappointed on my last trip to Aruba. I have been coming to aruba for the last fifteen years and losing my share of money in the casinos at the craps tables. Recently I have been practicing "Dice Control" and have had a good deal of success. I attempted to shoot using my newly developed talents and found that casinos in Aruba are not tolerant of "control shooters". I made several numbers in the Marriot and was told I could not "set" the dice. I laughed and continue to set the dice and float them to the backboard and the "stick man" took the dice away from me and pointed to a sign by the pit boss which said " NO SETTING OF DICE". I took down my bets and left. I had the same experience at the Raddison where they had a similar sign. The Rio was a little more tolerant but eventually harrased me by demanding I pick up the dice and shoot ( there was no one else at the table at the time). I left there also. The Westin allowed me to set the dice and after tipping the dealers several times and placing bets for them on the hardways the stickman actually was returning the dice to me in the "hardway set" I had a succesfull evening there and will return but it was still diappointing that I could not play at several of my favorite places.

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    if the rule is "no setting" then why would you do it?

    alhambra has the same rules.

    as does many other casinos off island that i have played at.
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    I was very disappointed on my last trip to Aruba. I have been coming to aruba for the last fifteen years and losing my share of money in the casinos at the craps tables. Recently I have been practicing "Dice Control" and have had a good deal of success. I attempted to shoot using my newly developed talents and found that casinos in Aruba are not tolerant of "control shooters". I made several numbers in the Marriot and was told I could not "set" the dice. I laughed and continue to set the dice and float them to the backboard and the "stick man" took the dice away from me and pointed to a sign by the pit boss which said " NO SETTING OF DICE". I took down my bets and left. I had the same experience at the Raddison where they had a similar sign. The Rio was a little more tolerant but eventually harrased me by demanding I pick up the dice and shoot ( there was no one else at the table at the time). I left there also. The Westin allowed me to set the dice and after tipping the dealers several times and placing bets for them on the hardways the stickman actually was returning the dice to me in the "hardway set" I had a succesfull evening there and will return but it was still diappointing that I could not play at several of my favorite places.

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    When you play in a casino it is ALWAYS by THEIR rules. As Andrea stated, a rule is a rule. It makes your life even easier if the rule is posted. You will just know now where to play.

    The only casinos I ever found to be somewhat flexible and easy going, almost lackadaisical, were years ago on cruise ships. I learned to play roulette on ships

    They too now are just as strict as land based casinos.

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    Very few casinos are tolerant of control shooters. The whole craps table design is intended to make it impossible. Some tables even have bumps in the floor of the table to force the dice to bounce. The rule about hitting the back wall, which is textured in a way to make dice go off in different directions is also to make it impossible to control the result. I would guess that most Las Vegas casinos would stop you from doing it, and some might even ban you if you kept doing it after being asked not to. It's like counting cards. Controlling the result is obviously an edge. Casinos do not like giving the edge to players. Otherwise, how would they make money? It is within their right to set the rules. It is within your right to gamble elsewhere. It is not within your right to continue to ignore their rules. So, you are taking your chances if you continue to set the dice even when told not to.

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    Yup. You have to play by their rules.

    I've always felt card counting shouldn't be banned. I know it is but I feel it's unfair. It's as if they are saying, "You can be too smart if you want to play here."

    I've said it before, eliminate the hassle and just mail a check to the casino.

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    You ask why I would do it First I didn't believe he was serious since I had been doing it for at least 8 or 9 rolls and secondly I was in the middle of a point and wanted to complete the point. As I said I was fortunate to make the point and left the casino. As someone else said I know where I can play and can't play and will adjust accordingly. I am just disappointed that I can't play in some of my favorite locations. By the way I do hit the backboard and probably only get a 20% advantage. 80% of the time it is entirely random. That 20% however has given me enough of an advantage as to take away the house edge.

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    i understand your reasoning since you were in the middle of a point, however if the rule is no setting, then no setting it is.

    my husband is a craps player and loves to set the dice. that being said, there is not one casino in aruba that he has played at that allows it. each and every casino in aruba he has played at, has a little sign saying "no setting dice"

    he has also played lots on cruises, in atlantic city, in biloxi and in st maarten and puerto rico.
    those casinos in those locations did not allow it except for the BOOMTOWN in Biloxi. (we usually play at beau rivage and hard rock there) he also thinks that mohegan sun allowed it, but cannot be certain. it has been 5 years since we were in Ct.

    whatever


    nothing personal, but i find those that flagrantly break the rules make it difficult for those that follow the rules.

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    You ask why I would do it First I didn't believe he was serious since I had been doing it for at least 8 or 9 rolls and secondly I was in the middle of a point and wanted to complete the point. As I said I was fortunate to make the point and left the casino. As someone else said I know where I can play and can't play and will adjust accordingly. I am just disappointed that I can't play in some of my favorite locations. By the way I do hit the backboard and probably only get a 20% advantage. 80% of the time it is entirely random. That 20% however has given me enough of an advantage as to take away the house edge.

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    Properly setting dice seems like a very hard thing to do. I have seen people set up the dice to a certain combo before they roll, but I have never seen anyone roll in a way that seemed designed to keep the dice together before they hit. I would be interested to see how it's done. That being said, I probably wouldn't do it at a casino unless I saw that they allowed it.

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    I like to set the dice not because I can control them, but because one day I picked them up with 12 showing and made my number. So I try to do this from time to time... I have been to casinos that said no lofting, Dice are not permitted to float above the height of the walls, they MUST bounce on at least 1 wall... all designed to bring back the intent of the game. Odds. No one is supposed to have an unfair advantage (except the house).
    As long as they let me smoke my cigars at the table, I'm ok with all other rules.

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    Wow

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    Boy I feel sorry for your husband!!
    You have to get the last word.
    I was not flagrantly breaking the rules.
    I was unaware of the rule and as soon as I was told I pulled down my bets and left that casino.
    As I said the Westin not only allowed it they assisted me by returning the dice in the hardway set.

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