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    sometimes i get the feeling that everyone that gangs up on the person that expresses a dissenting view from the consensus on this forum. kinda discourages people from being honest, no?

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    i take offense at your term "gangs up"this forum is looking for and providing information, objective folks giving honest and accurate views to the best of their ability.if we all agreed on everything, this would be a site that had no posts, no hits and no interest.i for one, could not figure what "grittiness" meant.nothing more, nothing less.it is our obligation as members to be kind, respectful and no name calling to any/all of the members.sometimes when there is an issue of nastiness, disrespect, trolling or crassness and wonder about it...........we should reread the forum rules, look in the mirror and say "say what can i do to make the forum a better more welcoming and embracing place?"i encourage all to rerread the forum rules.it is my job to make sure the forum posts flow freely with no one being ridiculed and all rules to be followed.i too encourage folks to make apologies when they unintentionally or intentionallytroll, be crass, crude and deliberately hurting feelings.am i making myself clear?andrea j.
    Quote Originally Posted by arubaness View Post
    sometimes i get the feeling that everyone that gangs up on the person that expresses a dissenting view from the consensus on this forum. kinda discourages people from being honest, no?

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    i have no idea why my previous post is so hard to readlet me repost iti take offense at your term gangs up.This forum is looking for and providing information, objective folks giving honest and accurate views to the best of their ability.If we all agreed on everything, this would be a site that had no posts, no hits and no interest.I for one, could not figure what grittiness meant.Nothiing more, nothing less.It is our obligation as members to be kind, respectful and no name calling to any/all of the members.Sometimes when there is an issue of nastiness, disrespect, trolling or crassness and wonder about it...........we should reread the forum rules, look in the mirror and say what can i do to make the forum a better more welcoming and embracing place?&I encourage all to rerread the forum rules.It is my job to make sure the forum posts flow freely with no one being ridiculed and all rules to be followed.I too encourage folks to make apologies when they unintentionally or intentionallytroll, be crass, crude and deliberately hurting feelings.am i making myself clear?andrea j.Quote:

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    no need to take offense at my using the term "gangs up" - i didnt mean it in a derogatory way. it was used to describe what everyone was seemingly doing to this poor person who posted the initial thread. i think it was safe to assume what he meant by grittiness - that the downtown area was rundown. everyone could've left it at that and informed him that the other areas are better. there was no need to be pinning him to the corner with such negative vibe by listing a litany of suggestive comments. the same was done to him before with his initial post - which was subsequently closed.

    take it as it is and let people say what they feel. in the end this forum is a free flowing blog. no need to second guess or question a person's post. and if you have to ask then ensure that tone of your message is neutral.
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    Actually, no.....Nobody was discouraging an opinion. But when you say something negative you need to be able to justify your opinion. When I first became a member I made quite an impression by making some ridiculous remark because I thought the same thing.......All anybody asks when making comments is to explain your reasoning....Is that too much to ask ??
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    it is too much to ask when asked in an augmentative and intimidating manner. perhaps i'm reading too much into it, but my impression was such. the same also happened to me with one of my first post on this forum - it dealt with me saying that one would regret taking AA due to the long lines. right off the bat - the demanding questions for justification came my way.

    in the long run - who would want to question the forum? and if no one is willing to present opposing views, what's the point of this forum???? - to say the same thing and have everyone be in unison?

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    A portion of the forum Rules:

    "Have respect for other opinions.

    If you disagree with someone, do not attack them personally.

    Try to make thoughtful comments about their opinion, perspective, assumptions, etc., but do not attack them personally.

    Everyone has an opinion based on a number of different factors, like their own personal experiences, values, etc.

    If someone disagrees with you, it is probably because they value one thing more than another.

    Attacking them does nothing but create anger and resentment.

    Discussing the values and perspective that underlies their opinions may increase your understanding and it may encourage them to see your perspective as well.

    Personal attacks are the tools of someone who probably doesn’t have a very good point to make, or of someone who holds a belief that has no foundation in reasoned thought."

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    Grittiness and ganging up

    There are many opinions about Aruba. The post below is just one on a long thread from this site in the moving to Aruba column. Sounds "gritty" to me.
    As to the "ganging up" that appears on this site, well it only takes a little time reading through the most active threads to see that it is most prevalent. JMO

    "Aruba has Problems

    We just returned, a few hours ago, from our vacation in Aruba, which we dedicated a large amount of time to looking at properties and land. We have been planning to buy a home or land and build a home.
    We did not buy this time because we were really taken back with the condition of
    Aruba this time! We have been going to Aruba for 25 years...and know the Island well. But this time I have to say...Aruba was filthy. We were shocked. Beer bottles and debris were all over the island. Even floating in the water at Baby beach. Everywhere. AND...the downtown area was dingy and SO MANY stores are empty! This trip, Aruba lost some of it's charm. We were very upset to see this. We heard the goverment ran out of money and this week, the entire Island is shutting down for a strike on Tuesday. Which means things will be even dirtier.
    Tourism is there number 1 income. If they don't paint and spruce up the downtown areas, no one will want to shop there. We didn't.
    The 'red light district' in San Nicolis advertises now and has an entire page in the daily local paper that is eye popping!!! They even supply transportation to the 'sexual experience' of your choice.
    The condo and time share building has gotten out of control. People were complaining that they are sitting 6 " from each other on eagle beach! There are construction sites everywhere. eyesores. What happened to the quiant clean colorful Aruba?
    And the worst....the homeless area...behind mainstreet has gotten huge. We could not believe the amount of men and women sitting against the buildings smoking crack IN PLAIN DAYLIGHT as you drove by. There had to be at least 25 of them along the block. And in the night, they hang out in the public parking lots by the casinos downtown and approach you asking for money as you walk to your car. very creepy. The police ignore them because they have no where to put them.
    My bubble is shattered. Aruba has lost some of it's charm for us. And by the way...some of the homeowners we met were selling because they needed to get better healthcare. They said the healthcare is horrible! Especially emergency care. (and if you plan on retiring there, as we did, this is a big concern)
    So we decided to sit back and watch what happens in the next couple years with the country before we buy. We hope it can handle all this developing, but with all this developing, it's not Aruba-one happy island anymore. It's one crowded island."
    http://www.aruba.com/forum/f34/aruba...roblems-30696/
    Last edited by KK and Lj; 08-23-2008 at 07:49 PM.

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    The online marketing, as well as people who talk about it, don't really ever go into talking about the island itself...the city, and the surrounding areas. If you've traveled the world a little, especially slightly poorer regions, then there won't be any shock to Aruba...but if it's your first time leaving the US, the grittiness of Aruba may come as a surprised
    guess you didn't look at the pics i posted. i took pics of everything. the good,bad and the ugly..lol.

    i loved our trip. and want to go back. the beach and water is awesome, the park and all that offroad section is awesome. the black smoke pouring out the refinery in the backround of baby beach and the black smoke pouring out the stacks of the power plant is ugly. some of the sections of town are dumps and others are really nice.
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    Re: the black smoke and smokestacks.The industrial section does IMO ruin the picturesque beauty of the island.That being said, those smokestacks and refinery and the WEB plant provide employment\ income for the residents provides and a good infrastructure for all, including tourists.It is too bad that the industrial side of Aruba does spoil the view for many.Re: the litter Many of us have seen the litter along the main highway, broken bottles etc.It is an eyesore and like here in the USA, there are fines for littering. Aruba has made much headway and efforts in trash removal, recycling and public works road/litter clean up.Again for those of you that have negative remarks concerns, we encourage you to follow the rules and to speak up and post your concerns.For those of you that see nothing negative to report, we encourage you to follow the rules and to speak up and also to post.This world would be a sad or boring place if we all agreed wouldn’t it?Aruba is One Happy Island for many.Those that are unhappy visiting Aruba need to figure out what they can do to either make it more pleasing for themselves, or to find a vacation spot that is more suitable.Aruba is definitely not for everyone, nor should everyone expect that it is.As a reminder, this site is owned and sponsored by the Aruba Tourism Authority and they have set the rules and guidelines for this forum.No one is forced to post, or to read or to participate.All though, are required to respect each other and be courteous.This ATA site and the other Aruba Bulletin Boards all have similar guidelines.and i still cannot post to this site with proper script and spacing! Andrea
    Quote Originally Posted by abj View Post
    guess you didn't look at the pics i posted. i took pics of everything. the good,bad and the ugly..lol.

    i loved our trip. and want to go back. the beach and water is awesome, the park and all that offroad section is awesome. the black smoke pouring out the refinery in the backround of baby beach and the black smoke pouring out the stacks of the power plant is ugly. some of the sections of town are dumps and others are really nice.

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