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    i accept your opinion as that is what we do here, but i totally disagree with it with respect.

    the san nic area of the island is imbedded with a wonderful culture and extensive history.
    the folks that live there take great pride in their families and homes and neighborhoods.

    it may not be upscale or be the "happening place", but in your few sentences you showed (imo) a blanket disrespect for the people that welcomed you to their country, served you your dinners/lunches/breakfasts, sold you your condo, rented you your car, drove your bus, handled your luggage and provided a good overall aruba experience.

    i am sorry that your visit to san nic left such an unpleasant taste in your mouth.

    i hope that someday when you return to aruba, you give san nic and surrounding areas another looksee and you get to speak with residents as you did in the tanki flip neighborhood.

    it truly is not all about drugs and hookers.

    it is about people and neighborhoods and pride.




    Quote Originally Posted by vincep View Post
    I wouldn't count on it any time soon. The Aruban Economy and the bars who hire the women make too much money.

    I don't ever want to go back there.(SN)There is lo legitimate reason for anyone to visit San Nicolas. All they have to offer is drugs and prostitutes. Charlies Bar, IMO, is a tourist trap ripoff too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrea J. View Post
    i accept your opinion as that is what we do here, but i totally disagree with it with respect.

    the san nic area of the island is imbedded with a wonderful culture and extensive history.
    the folks that live there take great pride in their families and homes and neighborhoods.

    it may not be upscale or be the "happening place", but in your few sentences you showed (imo) a blanket disrespect for the people that welcomed you to their country, served you your dinners/lunches/breakfasts, sold you your condo, rented you your car, drove your bus, handled your luggage and provided a good overall aruba experience.

    i am sorry that your visit to san nic left such an unpleasant taste in your mouth.

    i hope that someday when you return to aruba, you give san nic and surrounding areas another looksee and you get to speak with residents as you did in the tanki flip neighborhood.

    it truly is not all about drugs and hookers.

    it is about people and neighborhoods and pride.

    I meant no disrespect to the good people of Aruba who happen to live in San Nicolas. And perhaps it's not all of San Nicolas that is bad. To be fair, I did not explore the entire city. When I rented my car, I did drive to the areas close by to and on the other side of SN. (Baby Beach). The people were all very nice and I didn't see any drug dealers there. That being said, that part of the Island didn't appear to be the safest; overall.


    All that being said, the areas by the refinery where Charlies Bar is located is infested with prostitutes and drugs.This is a fact. I can't discount the fact that I was offered drugs walking down the street in broad daylight. I'm a clean cut looking person(around 40) with no tattoos, with short hair etc. In other words, I don't look like a "druggie" or even a pot smoker(not that there is necessarily anything wrong with that) So you can't say I looked, dressed or acted a certain way to attract the attention of the drug dealers.

    I also can't discount the fact that SEVERAL people (locals) in Charlies Bar and in other parts of Aruba warned me to stay out of San Nicolas at night.

    Also, IMO, while the prices for beer and soda are reasonable at Charlies Bar, the prices for simple food and not big portions are VERY high. Even when compared to other tourist locations in Aruba.


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    I have to say that there is more to San Nicolas than meets the eye. I had been there years ago at night when the Promenade was still located there and lived to talk about it I don't know if it is still there, but there was also a very nice art gallery on the main road. We bought a beautiful print from the owner.

    As to Charlie's Bar, I believe it is common knowledge that it is a "tourist" bar and certainly not a local hangout. With that being said, there are some fine dining establishments where the prices are very high and some might consider them a rip off as well. If you do not agree with the price being charged you just don't patronize a place.

    You gave a perfect example with the airport. You won't purchase food there again. Other folks however will pay for the convenience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vincep View Post
    All that being said, the areas by the refinery where Charlies Bar is located is infested with prostitutes and drugs.This is a fact. I can't discount the fact that I was offered drugs walking down the street in broad daylight. I'm a clean cut looking person(around 40) with no tattoos, with short hair etc. In other words, I don't look like a "druggie" or even a pot smoker(not that there is necessarily anything wrong with that) So you can't say I looked, dressed or acted a certain way to attract the attention of the drug dealers.

    I have a couple of tattoos and I don't do drugs or prostitutes..... should I?...... am I expected to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpjones View Post

    I have a couple of tattoos and I don't do drugs or prostitutes..... should I?...... am I expected to?
    You're taking my statement out of context. Of course having tattoos doesn't make you a bad person. I was in the Army(combat veteran w a purple heart) and I almost ended up with one myself. The point I was trying to make is that I didn't do anything to indicate that I wanted to buy drugs. I'm just a clean cut guy just walking down the street. Maybe if I had a tee shirt with a pot leaf on it or something.... I don't know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arubalisa View Post

    As to Charlie's Bar, I believe it is common knowledge that it is a "tourist" bar and certainly not a local hangout. With that being said, there are some fine dining establishments where the prices are very high and some might consider them a rip off as well. If you do not agree with the price being charged you just don't patronize a place.

    Fine dining establishments are one thing like Passions Restaurant on Eagle Beach. I've taken my girlfriend there and I will again. She loves it and so do I and they aren't cheap. There are other expensive restaurants along where the high rise hotels are that I would gladly spend the money while on vacation. I was just giving my opinion on Charlies Bar. It's bar food. The people are nice, the alcohol is reasonable, it's just the food prices that are high, IMO, for what it is.

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    It seems that with all that is wrong with Aruba, in your opininion, means it is probably not the correct place for you.
    Last edited by aquaman; 08-25-2013 at 12:38 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aquaman View Post
    It seems that with all that is wrong with Aruba, in your opininion, means it is probably not the correct place for you.
    Where do you get that from?


    If I didn't think it was the right place I wouldn't have made a decision to buy property there?

    I'm just telling a factual story and giving my honest opinion on things I've encountered. No place is perfect. There are actually MORE things I don't like about the United States than Aruba. Long term I don't want to live in the US because of the direction its heading. I'll probably end up moving to somewhere in the EU.

    Things I like about Aruba.

    1) Nice weather.

    2) Nice beaches.

    3) Nice people.

    4) People from all over the world to interact with.

    5) Proximity to other islands and South America.

    6) Relaxed atmosphere.

    7) Good first rate healthcare system.

    8) Not a police state like the US. You actually have to do something significant to have the police and or government involved in your life in Aruba. IMO, that's the way it should be.

    9) Low level of threat to personal safety.

    I can go on and on.

    What did I actually list that was really bad about Aruba?

    1) Dogs roaming around.

    This is true. Fortunately not all of them are attack dogs. Some just bark and are actually friendly.

    2) An elevated amount of home burglaries.

    This is also true.
    Why do you think people in Aruba have these dogs in the first place? Why do many people in Aruba have fenced properties, alarm systems, cameras, security guards etc? If you go to a high crime area of the US you will see those things too; with the exception the dogs roaming free.

    3) San Nicolas prostitutes, drugs and to avoid at night.

    There are many areas in the US I can say the same thing about.

    I just listed 8 positive things I like about Aruba as opposed to 3 negative things.


    The reality is that the drugs and prostitutes aren't a direct threat to anyone not involved.

    What does that leave?

    The roaming dogs and the thieves.

    I see the dog situation improving in time. That and the dogs can be avoided by driving as opposed to walking in the areas where they are a threat. One can also try to make friends with the dogs in your neighborhood. I plan on attempting this next time. I'm going to talk to the owners of the dogs that came at me and see, if possible, if the dogs can be shown that I'm friendly.

    The thieves.

    Until the Aruban police decide to make combating theft a high priority, one can just try to secure their dwellings or choose a secure community like I did. I don't see the Aruban police as being able to deal with the thieves, even if they want to. They would have to hire a lot more police.


    The nice things Aruba has to offer, IMO, FAR outweighs the negative.

    I'll take a little bit of lawlessness anyday in exchange for more freedom and relaxation.

    I will gladly deal with the thieves to enjoy the rest of what Aruba has to offer. From what I see, it isn't that bad. The other Caribbean Islands are MUCH worse.
    Last edited by vincep; 08-25-2013 at 02:55 PM.

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    Well, thats good. The positives certainly did not come across in your reports. I hope that Aruba works out for you. You are correct...there is no Utopia. Given the situations in many parts of the world the negatives of Aruba seem really minor in comparasion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aquaman View Post
    Well, thats good. The positives certainly did not come across in your reports. I hope that Aruba works out for you. You are correct...there is no Utopia. Given the situations in many parts of the world the negatives of Aruba seem really minor in comparasion.

    Yes. 100%

    Personally I think the American (social) Media is having an negative impact on the youth in many countries; to include some of the Aruban Youth I've seen.

    They seem to dress and try to emulate the rap music culture in the US. If I were the Prince of Aruba or whoever is in charge or has the authority, I'd pull the plug on negative things from the US.(or anywhere)

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