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    Well maybe with the water treatment plant closing that is whats on the other side of island correct? they can hire those people.????








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    The story has it, straight from an Aruban citizen, not one of us who heard something somewhere from someone that might have been an Aruban...
    It's not the water plant that's closing, it's the Valero (oil refinery) plant, and last I heard, and that was a two weeks back, that too may be changing with some positive things in the works for the employees. We can only hope.

    Hmm. The Hard Rock right beside the Tamarijn. Well, there goes my meditating spot... How nice... Rehab at the Hard Rock in Aruba...
    Up a hill?
    I think I said this when the lovely white palace went up down the road... a little full of yourselves aren't you?

    Someone mentioned the guitars... on a personal note, I could think of a lot worse things to see, however, being a musician I wouldn't mind seeing a few more guitars in my world.

    For us old-line Aruba travelers, changes happen. (I think I may have mentioned that elsewhere...) It's not always nice (perhaps from our perspective) but apparently the people who make the decisions on behalf of the country see a benefit for their homeland and their island.

    Let's hope they're correct, and let's wish the Hard Rock folks the best of luck.... just please don't screw up our (second) homes.
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    OKAY OKAY OKAY
    Now you got me. I lived in Big Cove - Cherokee and co-owned the original KOA campground along with the Cherokee Nation. (They own everything and in some cases you can co-own.) I went back with my son a few years back to do some Trout fishing. My stories needed to be justified. Guess what?
    My good friend Cricket told me that with the over construction, that drug abuse has gone way over what is the norm. Alcohol abuse is ridiculous and petty theft is like you cannot imagine. Sure enough, that night they broke into our car and took the radio and seats.
    All the fault of HRCH? No. It is a result of overbuilding a small area without having the social infrastructure to take care of it. Benefit to the Cherokee? Only to the coffers. The people actually hate it. Absenteeism in school is out of this planet. It seems like there is a general bad effect of the overbuilding in the town and within the coves.

    Hell man. This is not a tough thing to understand. WE ON ARUBA ARE ABUSING THE LAND. PERIOD!!!!!!!!!

    We did not catch any fish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arubabob View Post
    There is a Hard Rock Hotel and Casino about 30 minutes from my house here in Oklahoma. We go to "The Joint" there for some pretty good entertainment. Point is, this hotel casino is NOT OWNED by Hard Rock. It is owned by the Cherokee Indian tribe. Hard Rock is the operator under an agreement that put their name on front about 3 years ago. This casino hotel is "under construction" as well and has been for over 7 years. They keep making it bigger. The Cherokees pay for all the construction.
    Maybe this is counted as one of Hard Rocks under construction numbers. I dont know how many of Hard Rocks casinos are owned and operated or just operated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by charles View Post
    OKAY OKAY OKAY
    Now you got me. I lived in Big Cove - Cherokee and co-owned the original KOA campground along with the Cherokee Nation. (They own everything and in some cases you can co-own.) I went back with my son a few years back to do some Trout fishing. My stories needed to be justified. Guess what?
    My good friend Cricket told me that with the over construction, that drug abuse has gone way over what is the norm. Alcohol abuse is ridiculous and petty theft is like you cannot imagine. Sure enough, that night they broke into our car and took the radio and seats.
    All the fault of HRCH? No. It is a result of overbuilding a small area without having the social infrastructure to take care of it. Benefit to the Cherokee? Only to the coffers. The people actually hate it. Absenteeism in school is out of this planet. It seems like there is a general bad effect of the overbuilding in the town and within the coves.

    Hell man. This is not a tough thing to understand. WE ON ARUBA ARE ABUSING THE LAND. PERIOD!!!!!!!!!

    We did not catch any fish.

    be smart beyond your likes - use your senses

    be well
    charles

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    Quote Originally Posted by charles View Post
    OKAY OKAY OKAY
    Now you got me. I lived in Big Cove - Cherokee and co-owned the original KOA campground along with the Cherokee Nation. (They own everything and in some cases you can co-own.) I went back with my son a few years back to do some Trout fishing. My stories needed to be justified. Guess what?
    My good friend Cricket told me that with the over construction, that drug abuse has gone way over what is the norm. Alcohol abuse is ridiculous and petty theft is like you cannot imagine. Sure enough, that night they broke into our car and took the radio and seats.
    All the fault of HRCH? No. It is a result of overbuilding a small area without having the social infrastructure to take care of it. Benefit to the Cherokee? Only to the coffers. The people actually hate it. Absenteeism in school is out of this planet. It seems like there is a general bad effect of the overbuilding in the town and within the coves.

    Hell man. This is not a tough thing to understand. WE ON ARUBA ARE ABUSING THE LAND. PERIOD!!!!!!!!!

    We did not catch any fish.

    be smart beyond your likes - use your senses

    be well
    charles
    I see the total solution to your problem Charles.

    You should have been fishing for Sand Bass or black bass or even crapie, instead of Trout. Grand Lake of the Cherokees (btw), Lake Hudson, Lake Spavinaw, Lake Euhca, the Illinois river and Grand river are excellent places to catch those.
    I went up there one time (Grand) in early October and just walked the banks for a few hundred yards fishing. I caught over 100 sand bass and 5 black bass in less than 2 hours. At one point I got 60 hits in 61 casts. I was using a 3 inch silver and black sinking Repala lure. The wind was blowing into the banks there and you could see the schools of shad along the rocks. I quit because my arms were tired.

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    and we are now off topic.

    this thread is about the proposed HRHC deal and the location etc.

    if we continue down this path, i will be required to move the off topic posts to the off topic category.

    we understand that charles does not approve of this project.
    as a resident, and an aruban his voice needs to be heard.
    we as non residents/non arubans, really have no vested interest.
    aruba is not our home.
    it is just a wonderful place for us to visit from time to time.
    personally, i am glad to see the hulk of a wreck of the bushiri to be replaced.
    ideally i would love to see the bushiri rise again from the rubble.
    would i rather see a cultural center? library? youth center? senior center?
    you betcha!
    but, i have no say.
    i do think the hard rock will do a top job at restoring the beach area and making the place lovely.
    but, my opinion is one of an american tourist.

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    http://travel.usatoday.com/hotels/po...aruba/677429/1
    click link for the usa article on the HR.
    one of the statements in the article says "seawater swimming pool" this is the first time that i read something like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arubalisa View Post
    Hardrock hotel & casino on former Bushiri location ...
    600.000 dollar (5 percent of the investment amount) is to be spent on social projects and Hardrock Hotel & Casino is to ensure that the coastline between the hotel and Tamarijn becomes a public beach with sanitary facilities and possibilities for catering. The hotel itself will be built environment-friendly, with reflecting roofs against the heat, systems to collect rainwater, LED-illumination wherever possible, attention for wind ventilation, use of indigenous plants that can stand the aridity, swimming pools and spas heated by the sun and chlorine-free swimming pools with seawater. Itís also the intention that Hardrock thinks along with other institutions as regards generating durable energy for the hotel.
    I thought I had read about the seawater pool somewhere else, so looked back.

    I suppose none of the other resorts on the island have one? I know the Playa Linda, Hyatt, Occidental, Radisson, Westin, Phoenix and Tamarijn do not.

    No heated pool? In Aruba, I would hope not, though I can hear people complaining already that the hot tubs, heated only by the sun, are not hot ENOUGH.
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    i know of no heated pools on island. "solar heat only" ;-)

    i do know that some of the hot tubs are heated so very high.....above 104 and that is ridiculous.

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    As a resident of Aruba, and from the US, I can tell you that the ruins of the Bushiri have been a draw to illegal activity on the island. The beach there is badly neglected at this point, and a new steward of the area that relies on positive tourist experiences is going to be better than the current situation.

    The government requested proposals for the area, 5 were serious, and just 2 presented all of the required details to the govt in time. Part of the resort will be set aside for govt use and specific purposes - conference rooms, resaurant school, etc. I'm sure those requirements could have been hard for many resorts to justify considering the high cost of construction and the inability to make real money on those govt areas. It is a way of life in Aruba for the govt to reap prosperity when others prosper. We just hope that they improve their oversight and actions concerning the growing criminal element and drug abuse. Some of that also increases when hotels are being built because the govt allows additional workers from outside of the island. It is sad to see.

    I cannot wait for the construction to begin though. It will bring hope to a part of the island that has suffered drastically because of the onslaught of the high-rise hotels. I guess they figure if you can't beat them, join them.
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