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    ahh you got me there "travelinman"
    my words should have been that this entire website focus is on the promotion of aruba as a tourist destination and to provide information for those planning on visiting. this particular category/forum, moving to aruba is aimed at those moving to aruba.

    Visiting the DIMAS web page or making a call to the office, or visiting that office or contacting an Aruba immigration attorney is the BEST way to the the bes accurate information re: this question.

    with all due respect, it is my obligation to make sure that the people that ask the questions, get the correct answer or are directed to where they can find the correct answer

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelinman View Post
    With all due respect, I was not aware that this forum is "aimed at tourism, not residency" The forum name of "moving to Aruba" had me believe otherwise. Not trying to rock the boat, but it seemed like an appropriate question considering the name of this forum.

    thanks all...
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    http://www.aruba.com/sigma/Entry_Req-Eng.pdf i copied it and pasted below but did not come out well.


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    [IMG]file:///page1image424[/IMG] REQUIREMENTS FOR ENTRY INTO ARUBA AS A TOURIST

    Wilhelminastraat 31-33Oranjestad, ArubaTel. (297) 522 1500Fax (297) 522 1505dimas@aruba.gov.awwww.dimasaruba.com
    www.dimasaruba.com


    Persons who are considered a tourist are those who travel to Aruba for one of the following purposes: vacationand relaxation, sport, health reasons, family matters, study, religious purposes or a business visit. During theirstay in Aruba tourists are not allowed to work.
    Upon arrival in Aruba a tourist must have:

    • a passport that is valid upon entry and for the duration of stay in Aruba. If the tourist holds a passportfrom a visa required country (list A), he must have a valid visa sticker in his passport;
    • a completely filled-in and signed Embarkation and Disembarkation card (ED-card);
    • a valid return- or onward ticket;
    • the necessary documents for returning to the country of origin or to a country that he has the right toenter, for example a valid residence permit (temporary or permanent), a re-entry permit or a (entry)visa;
    • if so requested, the tourist has to be able to prove to the satisfaction of the migration officer that hehas a valid reservation for an accommodation in Aruba (e.g. hotel or apartment) or that he ownsproperty in Aruba (a residence, condominium, apartment, timeshare apartment or a pleasure yachtmoored in Aruba with a length of at least 14 meters measured on the water line);
    • if so requested, the tourist has to be able to prove to the satisfaction of the migration officer to disposeof adequate financial means to provide for hotel expenses (if applicable) and living expenses during hisstay or that he has a declaration of guarantee from a legal resident of Aruba.
      The final authorization for admission to Aruba remains with the migration officer at the border-crossing/port ofentry. The migration authorities at the border-crossing/port of entry have the authority to grant or refuseadmission. Admission can be refused if not all admission requirements are fulfilled by the time of entering Arubaor if the tourist has been blacklisted.
      DURATION OF ADMISSION
      The maximum period of time that a person can be admitted to Aruba as a tourist is 30 days. The total amountof days a person can stay in Aruba, as a tourist cannot exceed 180 days per year.
      Extension of stay upon entry
      Upon entry in Aruba, the following persons can apply for an extension of their stay for more than 30 days butnot exceeding 180 days:



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    • nationals of the Kingdom of the Netherlands can request an extension of their stay for up to 180consecutive days;
    • nationals from the countries mentioned in list A and visa required persons who are exempt from thevisa requirement, can request an extension of their stay for up to 180 consecutive days, if:




    theyhavepropertyinAruba,i.e.ahouse,condominium,apa rtment,time-share,apartment or a pleasure yacht moored in Aruba with a length of at least 14 metersmeasured from the water line. They must show proof of ownership of the property.For a stay of up to 180 days.

    • Iftheydon’thavepropertyinAruba,theymusthaveadeclar ationofguaranteefroma resident of Aruba who will act as guarantor for and be liable for any costs incurredduring their stay. The guarantor in Aruba can download the declaration of guaranteefrom our website, following the procedures to have it legalized and sent it to thevisitor abroad; the tourist can request for a stay of up to 90 days.
    • Themigrationofficer,cangrandanextensionforupto90da ysifheissatisfiedthatthe visitor has sufficient funds to cover his extended stay.


    All tourists who apply for an extension of their stay beyond 30 days are required to have travel insurance(medical and liability) valid for the duration of the extended stay.
    If a tourist wants to stay longer then the number of days granted by the immigration officer on the ED-card uponadmission, he or she can apply at the office of Dimas for an extension for up to 180 days if applicable. The form


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    for a tourist stay extension is available at the office of the DIMAS, and can also be downloaded from[COLOR=rgb(0.000000%, 0.000000%, 100.000000%)]www.dimasaruba.com[/COLOR]. An application for an extension of stay can be filed at the DIMAS from Monday toThursday, from 7:30 to 11:30 and 2:30PM to 4:00PM and on Friday from 7:30 to 11:30. There is no filing fee for
    a tourist extension application.
    The following documents have to be presented:

    • original application form for extension of tourist stay;
    • copy of the profile page and all the written and stamped pages of the petitioner’s passport, valid for
      at least another 3 months when the extension is applied for;
    • copy Embarkation-Disembarkation card (ED-card);
    • copy valid return ticket;
    • copy of travel insurance (medical and liability) valid for the duration of the extended stay;
    • if the petitioner is not staying at his own private residence or at a hotel/resort, he needs to presenta declaration of guarantee from a resident of Aruba who will act as guarantor for their stay.
      Anyone wanting to stay longer than 180 days in Aruba will need a residence permit and will not beconsidered a tourist.



    [IMG]file:///page2image11008[/IMG] LIST A. NATIONALS WHO NEED A VISA TO TRAVEL TO ARUBA
    Nationals of one of the following countries need a visa to travel to Aruba:


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    AfghanistanAlbania
    Algeria
    Angola
    Armenia
    Azerbaijan
    BahrainBangladesh
    Belarus
    Benin
    Bhutan
    BoliviaBosnia-HerzegovinaBotswana

    Burkina FasoBurundi
    CambodiaCameroon
    Cape Verde IslandsCentral Africa Rep.Chad

    China (People's Rep.)Colombia
    Comoros Isl.
    Congo (Brazzaville)Congo (Kinshasa)Cote d'Ivoire

    Cuba
    Djibouti
    Dominican RepublicEast Timor
    Egypt


    [IMG]file:///page2image22776[/IMG] Equatorial GuineaEritrea
    Ethiopia
    Fiji

    Gabon
    Gambia
    Georgia
    Ghana
    Guinea RepublicGuinee-BissauHaiti

    IndiaIndonesiaIran
    IraqJamaicaJordanKazakhstanKenyaKiribatiKuwaitKyrg yzstanLaosLebanonLesothoLiberiaLibyaMacedoniaMadag ascarMalawiMaldivesMali



    [IMG]file:///page2image30072[/IMG]
    [IMG]file:///page2image31736[/IMG] Marshall IslandsMauritaniaMicronesiaMoldova (Rep. of)MongoliaMontenegroMoroccoMozambiqueMyanmarNamib ia
    Nauru
    Nepal
    Niger
    Nigeria
    North KoreaNorthern Mariana Isl.Oman

    Pakistan
    Palau
    Palestinian NationalAuthority
    Papua New GuineaPeru
    Philippines
    Qatar
    Rwanda
    Russian FederationSamoa
    Sao Tomé and PrincipeSaudi Arabia
    Senegal
    Sierra Leone



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    Serbia
    Solomon IslandsSomalia
    South Africa
    Sri Lanka
    Sudan
    Swaziland
    Syria
    Tajikistan
    Tanzania
    Thailand
    Togo
    Tonga
    TurkmenistanTunisia
    Turaku
    Turkey
    Tuvalu
    Uganda
    Ukraine
    United Arab EmiratesUzbekistan
    Vanuatu
    Vietnam
    Yemen
    Zambia
    Zimbabwe


    [IMG]file:///page2image46120[/IMG] WWW.DIMASARUBA.COMdimas@aruba.gov.aw

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    Visa required persons exempted from the visa requirement
    The following persons, who normally require a visa, are exempt from this requirement:


    holders of a valid residence permit (temporary or permanent) from:



    anotherpartoftheKingdomoftheNetherlands;theUnitedStatesofAmerica;
    Canada
    TheSchengenTerritory
    UnitedKingdomIreland




    • Colombian or Jamaican nationals who are holders of a valid (entry) visa for the United States ofAmerica, Canada, The Schengen Territory (Schengen Visa), United Kingdom or Ireland.
    • those who are continuing (in transit) to a third country within 24 hours or within the same day byaircraft, and holding tickets with reserved seats and all documents required for onward journey;
    • those who arrive by aircraft to board a cruise ship or vice versa (in transit), for a period of maximum 24hours;



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    • cruise ship passengers if they disembark in Aruba as part of their cruise, for a period of maximum 24hours;
    • children younger than 12 years old, don’t need a visa if they are traveling with a parent or guardian;
    • holders of a diplomatic passport, being nationals of Albania, Bolivia, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Chad,Indonesia, Jamaica, Macedonia, Malawi, Morocco, Moldova, Montenegro, Pakistan, Peru, RussianFederation, Senegal, Serbia, Thailand, Ukraine, Tunisia, Turkey or the United Arab Emirates;
    • holders of a service passport, being nationals of Bolivia, Indonesia, Jamaica, Malawi, Morocco, Peru,Thailand, Tunisia, Turkey, United Arab Emirates.
    • holders of passports or laissez passer issued by the IMF, the World Bank, the United Nations or one ofits agencies;





    the crew members of vessels or aircrafts mooring or landing in Aruba for commercial purposes, and whodon’t pose a threat for the public order and safety of the island or the Kingdom of the Netherlands.
    This category is exempt from the visa requirement for a period of admission of up to 48 hours.
    Where and how to apply for a visa
    Visa-required tourists need to apply for and have a visitor visa before coming to Aruba. The visa must be appliedfor in person at an embassy or consulate of the Kingdom of the Netherlands (diplomatic mission). In somecountries certain approved travel agencies can apply for a visa on behalf of their customers.
    For more information about the visa requirements, to apply for a visa for Aruba, and for information onappointments/opening hours, the tourist can contact a consulate or embassy of the Kingdom of the Netherlandsin his country of residence or visit the websites of the Embassy or consulates concerned. For address informationand websites of Dutch diplomatic missions abroad, visit the website of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs,[COLOR=rgb(0.000000%, 0.000000%, 100.000000%)]http://www.minbuza.nl/en[/COLOR].
    When do you need an invitation/declaration of guarantee?
    A visa-required tourist needs a declaration of guarantee/invitation to apply for a visa if he has been invited toparticipate in a sports event by an organization on Aruba or if he’ll be staying at the home of a relative or anacquaintance. The person or organization in Aruba who will act as guarantor for the tourist’s stay has to declarethat they’ll guarantee all costs than can arise from the short stay of the tourist in Aruba. The guarantor isresponsible for sending the declaration of guarantee/invitation to the visa-required tourist. Please note thathaving the declaration doesn’t mean that the visa will be issued. It is only one of the requirements that the visaapplicant has to submit.
    The declaration of guarantee/invitation form is available at the office of the DIMAS and can also be downloadedfrom [COLOR=rgb(0.000000%, 0.000000%, 100.000000%)]www.dimasaruba.com[/COLOR], as well as the instructions about the relevant procedure.


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    LIVING AND WORKING IN ARUBA
    Persons who want to live and work on Aruba must have a valid residence permit from the Directorate of AlienIntegration, Policy and Admission (DIMAS).
    For more information contact:
    DIMAS
    Wilhelminastraat 31-33Oranjestad, Aruba
    Tel. (297) 522 1500Fax (297) 522 1505
    [COLOR=rgb(0.000000%, 0.000000%, 100.000000%)]dimas@aruba.gov.awwww.dimasaruba.com [/COLOR]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Travelinman View Post
    With all due respect, I was not aware that this forum is "aimed at tourism, not residency" The forum name of "moving to Aruba" had me believe otherwise. Not trying to rock the boat, but it seemed like an appropriate question considering the name of this forum.

    thanks all...
    Quote Originally Posted by Jacki View Post
    It is a completely appropriate question! And great for the Moving to Aruba area, however, there is no better place to get the most accurate answer than DIMAS

    I hope you will come back & update this thread with the information you find

    Travelinman, TRULY, no one here can be an expert in EVERYTHING.

    For something so serious, involving LEGAL ramifications , the BEST source really would be the governmental agency which in this case is DIMAS.

    Anyone can tell you what they "think" they know .

    However, given the possible legal penalties if not followed to the law, is it not best to have the correct information from those enforcing the laws?

    As Andrea pointed out earlier, your best advice for something which has serious legal penalties if not followed correctly, is to seek legal counsel.

    More expensive than free info on a public forum? Yes. But you will get what you pay for.

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    Last I was there and had residency - you could make an appointment on-line. Not getting in to all the forms and stuff. Too many chainsaws in the air right now

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    This is good info... thanks...

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    http://www.dimasaruba.aw/index.php/download.../66-family-reunion-first-req-pdf‎
    Here is a link to the permanent/temporary residence form.

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    Hello Travelinmann (& everyone else)! This is my 1st post to the forum, I have been reading for almost a year now & learned a lot - so thanks everyone I just went thru the Residency Permit process. I did it on my own for myself, bf & my parents. I dont mind to get you started by explaining the basics - ie different types of permits/requirements (ie rentiner, pensioner, retiree or having guarantor). But I suggest to chk w/specialist to make sure there arent any consequences of applying for permit. there are some pros & cons to doing this & the type of permit you apply for could make a difference - all depends on your situation/ultimate goal, etc. Lots of moving parts...

    Feel free to msg me. I did retiree for myself & beau and Rentiner for my parents, I can also explain why i took dif routes. It went very smoothly; only 1 slight mishap; i attached stamp upside down- it was quickly fixed -lol)...We applied around Nov 18 & actually are going to Dimas to pick up our permits tomorrow. They were done beginning of April. (We could have completed the process faster if we returned to Aruba sooner for our medical tests.) It really was not hard (& please, I don't mean to take anything away from the companies that provide this service for a fee by any means! Don't want to start off offending anyone in my 1st post) There is a lot of time involved, running around to different offices to complete the forms. I can see how the process can be confusing. But I also have a background in Visa/Passport/Customs/Immigrations for US Citizens & foreign nationals coming to US, so that helped. I don't mind to help shed some light on the overall process & give you some pointers I picked up along the way... Thanks!

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    welcome to the aruba.com community forum

    Quote Originally Posted by charterprincess View Post
    Hello Travelinmann (& everyone else)! This is my 1st post to the forum, I have been reading for almost a year now & learned a lot - so thanks everyone I just went thru the Residency Permit process. I did it on my own for myself, bf & my parents. I dont mind to get you started by explaining the basics - ie different types of permits/requirements (ie rentiner, pensioner, retiree or having guarantor). But I suggest to chk w/specialist to make sure there arent any consequences of applying for permit. there are some pros & cons to doing this & the type of permit you apply for could make a difference - all depends on your situation/ultimate goal, etc. Lots of moving parts...

    Feel free to msg me. I did retiree for myself & beau and Rentiner for my parents, I can also explain why i took dif routes. It went very smoothly; only 1 slight mishap; i attached stamp upside down- it was quickly fixed -lol)...We applied around Nov 18 & actually are going to Dimas to pick up our permits tomorrow. They were done beginning of April. (We could have completed the process faster if we returned to Aruba sooner for our medical tests.) It really was not hard (& please, I don't mean to take anything away from the companies that provide this service for a fee by any means! Don't want to start off offending anyone in my 1st post) There is a lot of time involved, running around to different offices to complete the forms. I can see how the process can be confusing. But I also have a background in Visa/Passport/Customs/Immigrations for US Citizens & foreign nationals coming to US, so that helped. I don't mind to help shed some light on the overall process & give you some pointers I picked up along the way... Thanks!

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    andrea - have read that 55 page document you tried to post. I found it was quite different than when we applied. I am going the route of this -
    go to http://www.dimasaruba.aw/ you can now get it in english as well as the forms!
    Progress anyone?

    Go to download forms
    - pick
    Pensioner (2 Files) or 8. RESIDENCE PERMIT FOR AN INDEFINITE PERIOD

    The big deal is the money needed - per family / per person + Where you are from you need to put a Deposit for a inhabitant of the following countries in the form

    Plus it mentions in tiny type you have to go to a doctor - used to have to get a chest xray for TB but don't know if they are still doing that.

    Beware of the lawyers doing your first app - we had a good lawyer and was charged way high and dimas is dimas
    - pick visitors and it will give you all the info you want.
    Don't know the timeframe allowed to stay anymore.

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    http://www.dimasaruba.aw/index.php/d...-first-req-pdf Pensioner first req.pdf
    http://www.dimasaruba.aw/index.php/d...er-new-req-pdf .Pensioner new req.pdf

    What is the difference between the 2 documents? I have no clue.

    FOR A PERSON OF INDEPENDENT MEANS:
    Awg. 75.000, - stemming from a rental agreement

    FOR A Pensioner:
    Awg. 50.000,-- from annuity or pension.
    For 2 or more years fixed asset in a recognized commercial bank in the European Union, the United States of America or Canada with a yearly revenue of Awg. 50,000.

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