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    i hear you dannyo
    i have so many thoughts about it and many many questions.

    ecological impact?
    socio economic impact?
    infrastructure?
    etc?????

    and then i think to myself......"self, you are not a resident, only a guest. what right do i have to criticize or question?"

    then i think....it would be great for aruba to have a very high end resort

    then....is there room and a need for such a high end place?

    then...is this building going to impact tourism negatively, especially windsurfers?

    many questions indeed.
    i hope it all works out with the focus on the Arubans/residents, the ecology, the economics, the need and the overall impact on the island itself.

    Quote Originally Posted by DANNYO View Post
    There is much more to this story that I just don't understand.Whatever happens I just hope its in the best interest of all.

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    Hmmmm - so i'm not the only one that thinks Aruba is way to Americanized (no disrespect towards Americans intended) with no local flair or culture ,and expensive to boot
    We went once last year and will never go back , not when there are gems like Costa Rica ,parts of Mexico etc. etc.
    And they want to add another highrise ? My my .

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    Living here full time for 5 years, I can tell you the 'pulse' of all
    the people here - locals and foreigners - is that no one wants
    the place. Everyone is upset how they actually sold the land
    on the last day of the old administration leaving the new
    administration with the 'jersey bird'. The new administration
    campaigned on stopping the overbuilding and building and
    now has this to deal with.

    No need for the place, hurts the locals (windsurfing, kiting and
    launching their boats, hurts the ecology (endangered turtles, the
    natural drainage to the salinas and just more 'trash and waste'.
    The jobs are not 'hot' jobs that the people here want. There will
    be more imported workers to do the jobs that the locals don't want
    at they pay they are offering.

    Who gets the majority of the profit - an international corporation.
    Sure some taxes (unless there is yet another tax holiday) will come
    in but the burden to the island might be greater.

    It is complicated. Do tourists have a say in this? Well, where
    they spend their tourist dollars do count.

    Do the Aruban people who live here and have a proud culture that they
    see being taken away from them every time someone gets
    paid off again and again? They are the ones that have the biggest
    say.

    I just hope that the new government is working on
    a 'plan' on how they want to handle the entire thing.

    Look at the Ritz Carlton website of the drawing. It's
    really ugly (IMHO).
    http://www.ritzcarlton.com/en/Proper...ba/Default.htm

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    Here's another non-resident/oft-repeat visitor's 2 cents.
    The press release that went with that lovely image, the beach picture that is, had this in it... "“in all honesty, the credit for this project should go to the former administration. Due to a rapid expansion of hotels and condominiums over the last 20 years we are concerned that we are left with too few vacant public beach areas,” as much as saying, 'Don't blame us for this, we're stuck with it too...', and kind of leading to, 'Have you noticed we're running out of sand and beach here?'
    It's unfortunate that the "powers that be" in this case don't seem to care about the "soft issues". One might think that the way to "win over" the locals would be to appeal to them on some level, as opposed to the "storming the beach" approach that this seems to be.

    I really hope this works out for the Aruban people, they've made life wonderful for a lot of folks for a lot of years, and they deserve better than this.

    And please, bear in mind, this is solely my opinion. Sorry if it grates anyone the wrong way. And yes, I have paid enough attention over the last 10 years to have an opinion.

    Blessings, and have a rockin' time on the island if you're there...
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    Thats a big building for a small piece of property,how far will it go?I know it will be where the windsurfing is but that is a small piece of property.Will it take up all the local huts too?

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    That's what I wondered too when I saw the 'artist's conception' of
    what it will look like. It looks like a 7 story building and huge.
    I have no idea except when they had the drawing for the
    road which does not look big enough:

    http://news.webshots.com/photo/23875...02320308trvfSQ

    I have heard the phrase 'fishermen's huts' knocked around but
    since they were a gift from the queen of the netherlands to the
    aruban fisherman - I thought they would have 'national monument'
    status. Now i'm not too sure.

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    Facebook site opposes the RC

    if you are on facebook and agree with the link, please become a fan...

    Ultimo beach na Aruba mester keda di nos SAY NO TO RITZ CARLTON !!!:
    Ultimo beach na Aruba mester keda di nos SAY NO TO RITZ CARLTON !!! | Facebook

    http://www.facebook.com/pages/Ultimo...3119870?ref=mf

    They are looking to get 5k fans. Not much we can do right now,
    but to voice our support.

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    It is not quite as ugly as The Riu though. Not that that is any consolation. The new government is stuck with it but when they spoke with Marriott he said they had reached some "compromises" - I guess we'll have to wait and see what they are.

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    "You can not place Aruba in the same league as Costa Rica and Mexico which are far bigger countries with diverse climate, landscapes and culture."

    And that is the problem. The Ritz Carlton organization is looking at Aruba as just that, an island on some manner of par with the places mentioned. Or maybe not. Perhaps they just see it as another place to make a big buck, and if it affects the climate and population, (hopefully in a positive way), well, so be it...

    The sad and kinda nasty thing to my mind is that the new gov't and the rest of the folks on the island are sorta stuck with it.

    If only the people at the top would actually circulate amongst the people of the island, and I don't mean the executives and business types that see the bucks, I mean the real people, the ones that might end up building the place, that might end up driving a cab up to the front door on a regular basis. Ask them what they think about it, how it might affect their lives.
    A soft issue that is constantly passed by. Ask the real people of the island what they think and how they feel, get the REAL opinion.

    Sorry if I blew off a bit there... I'm actually dealing with an issue similar to this at home, developers moving in where they're not particularly wanted, with NO idea or concept of the effect they'll have on the area or environment. All they see is the money to be made. And that's a shame.

    The Sex Pistols said it best in the title of their song... Filthy Lucre.

    Phew.... my two cents. I think that makes 4 or 6 by now....

    Last edited by Mr. Ratt; 02-25-2010 at 03:30 PM.
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    For what it's worth, facebook seems to have this weird ability to pull people together, so go on over there and support this... in an obscure way, it's "our" island too.

    Stand and be counted on this. If the folks that live there can't make a difference, maybe some of us long-timers can, the folks who keep putting money into the place. Doesn't our money account for anything? Granted, it's not a bazillion all at once like a hotel chain, but it's at least constant.

    And for what it's worth, if all of us "ambassadors" on this board say something, the ears at the tourist board/gov't office just might listen.

    10 years and more for the goodwill tourist/ambassador thingy, right?
    An awful lot of people hereabouts have been to Paradise more than 10 times, I'm sure...

    ps... the facebook site is up to almost 2,000 people.
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