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tds-ken
02-19-2009, 10:35 AM
I saw in today's Aruba Today that the Ritz Carlton hotel project is back on! Who knows if it will happen but it was re-announced!

Andrea J.
02-19-2009, 11:20 AM
i do not have an MBA and i am not an economist nor have any degree or paid work experience with hotels/resots

that being said
NUTS!

the tourists are not packing the joints now

does anyone think that maybe there is a GLUT of rooms?
does anyone think that enough is enough?
does anyone think it is not beneficial to have to bring in outside folks to do the construction and be in the employ of the resort?


i will shut up now. i am only an aruba lover, not a resident and i have no say. just a big mouth.

andrea




I saw in today's Aruba Today that the Ritz Carlton hotel project is back on! Who knows if it will happen but it was re-announced!

Edronenburg
02-19-2009, 12:40 PM
Well said, Andrea! There is such a thing as "over-kill," and, perhaps, with the economy the way it is now; the lack of tourist "over-kill" would be an appropriate phrase. That being said, a MBA or being an economist or having a degree in hotel/resort management, etc., would not be necessary to analyze what is happening.

Just a thought.

lizzardo
02-19-2009, 01:49 PM
The Ritz project was nixed a few years ago because of the outrage that the windsurfers would lose their wind. Then there was a proposed project by some Arubians that had it a low hotel that wouldn't block the wind.

I wonder if the wind issue is being considered when designing the hotel and what will happen this time.

I love watching the wind surfers!!!

SanNic44
02-19-2009, 02:36 PM
I put a copy of the Bon Dia article on my blog. It's under the Aruba News Direct category. Who knows if this will actually be built. They're talking about 360 million florin and building it in the area of the Hadicurai/Basi Ruti.

Never know, maybe someday they'll build a hotel in Savaneta and then nothing will be left.

Whatever.

44

Andrea J.
02-19-2009, 05:35 PM
"they paved paradise and put up a ..........."

omgosh who wrote and performed that!?

andrea

qlaval
02-19-2009, 07:58 PM
Looks like you're not alone...
(in Papiamento...)


Ritz Carlton mester bin Aruba aunke turismo ta cay
RAINBOW WARRIORS CU BOYCOT INTERNACIONAL CONTRA RITZ CARLTON
*Accion straño di Gobierno por provoca boycot Marriott
*Marisol mester splica kico tin den e asunto aki
ORANJESTAD (AAN) — Mientras turismo di Aruba ta bini abao y hasta mester a hinca 10 Miyon di placa di Plant den un plan pa trata di atrae turista pa Aruba, Gobierno den un acto sorprendente ayera a reuni cu Marriott pa firma un contrato pa construccion di Ritz Carlton, manera DIARIO a anuncia for di Dialuna. E acto aki ta haltamente cuestiona den circulonan hotelero, cu sa cu na e momento aki mester di consolidacion di turismo.
Uno di e preguntanan grandi cu ta haci den mundo di turismo e dianan aki ta, kico a pasa cu diripiente Ritz Carlton a bolbe subi tereno. Aña pasa tabata tin un incidente serio den seno di Conseho di ministronan encuanto e tereno caminda Ritz Carlton lo a aparece. E tereno aki lo mester a bay pa un financiador di MEP.
A surgi problemanan serio den seno di Gobierno, loke a haci cu hasta tabata tin menaza cu “tur hende lo por a bay cera”. Esaki tabata e tabla di Marisol ora Thijsen kier a actua contra Marisol den Conseho di ministronan. E asunto nunca a haya aclareaccion.
Awor cu turismo ta den un crisis, diripiente e proyecto Ritz Carlton ta bini. Un acto sorprendente, special pa e grupo Rainbow Warriors cu den pasado a adverti Marriott y Ritz Carlton cu e lo actua cu un boycot internacional contra propiedadnan selecta di Ritz Carlton rond mundo.
Ayeranochi un comunicado a mira luz di Rainbow Warriors, cu a anuncia cu nan ta contempla un boycot internacional contra Marriot tambe.
Dialuna otro grupo di ciudadano cu ta observa proyectonan straño, a publica un advertencia na Marriott den DIARIO, cu ta sigui investiga e caso aki.

rob o
02-19-2009, 08:18 PM
"they paved paradise and put up a ..........."

omgosh who wrote and performed that!?

andrea


Big Yellow Taxi - Joni Mitchell

Hated that song.....

fattypatty
02-20-2009, 08:53 AM
considering that the ritz is owned by marriott and the fact that marriott already has 4 properties on the island.....i find this incredulous. however, on my first trip to aruba, i did find it surprising that the island did not have a luxury resort. perhaps it's because the room prices were already heavily inflated compared to other areas. can you imagine what they would charge for a room at the ritz when a room at the stellaris starts at 400 for no view and 600+ for ocean/pool view during the high season?

DiviRob39
02-20-2009, 10:11 AM
that's so sad to hear...one of my favourite things to do with my wife over our last 10 years visting the island has been walking to the fisherman huts and go for a quick dip and then dry off watching the wind/kite surfers....in the near future we'll be tripping over beach chairs....glad I've had this many years of those peaceful walks..can't believe we'll be eventually be saying..."I remember when....."

lizzardo
02-20-2009, 10:28 AM
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http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/19-aruba-voor_004.gif Bill Marriot shakes hands with Prime Minister Nelson Oduber after the plans for the five star Ritz-Carlton in Aruba became definate. ORANJESTAD – After four years of negotiations, the Aruban government has finally her first five-star hotel, The Ritz-Carlton. The hotel with 320 rooms will come next to the Marriott resort that is also the parent company of this luxurious hotel chain. The 360 million florins investment is officially done by the Venezuelan group Desarrollos Hotelco S.A. that turned out to be the best from a public tender.
Bill Marriott, project puller Walter Stipa of the investment group, Premier Nelson Oduber, Finance-minister Nilo Swaen, and Tourism-minister Edison Briesen gathered in the Marriott-hotel to celebrate the agreement. It was a big party for especially Aruba; the island has been trying for more than 15 years to bring in a five-star hotel. However, investors pulled out or never came with sufficient money at the end. The Oduber-cabinet decided after criticism from the opposition and the business life, to start a public tender in 2007. Especially because governments of a different colour (AVP) have caused big financial problems in the past, by giving guarantees and tax exemptions to hotels.
A committee considered the plans of the Venezuelan investment group/Marriott as the best during a tender. The hotel will have to rise now on the popular beach of the Fisherman’s Huts.
The Oduber government has received a lot of criticism in the past years for wanting to build a new hotel on this beach. The Chamber of Commerce, employers’ association, and also experts inside the government had pointed the government out on several studies and reports that Aruba has a lot of mass hotels like this one. Besides, they do not deliver the desired high-quality employment, but only more cheap workers from abroad. The infrastructure is also no longer adequate for this.
Also the environmental movement is very much worried about the consequences for the protected turtle species that nest on the Fisherman’s Huts every year. The movement says that very little attention is given to environmental protection. At least three hundred meter free beach will be gone if the new hotel comes.
Premier Oduber says that the hotel project is part of the economic diversification policy of the government to attract wealthier tourists to Aruba. He is extra proud of the fact that in this economic difficult time, they still managed to bring in such huge investment.
“Aruba needs construction work”, says Oduber as a result of the signals that also the building sector is already suffering under the crisis. “We can sit down and deliberate, but the answer is construction work. We can’t have the aspiration and pretention like the rich countries that can invest millions of tax money as economic way out. Our means are too limited for that.” The premier hopes that the stimulation package of the American president Barack Obama will pay off in Aruba.
Boycot
The first action group has already started with protests against the build of the five-star hotel. Rainbow Warriors threatens with a worldwide boycott of Marriott and all her chains. The movement has been writing letters to The Ritz Carlton to ask attention for the environmental problem. The hotel chain has answered Rainbow in 2006, stating that with all the projects, they try to avoid damaging effects for the environment

cindyo
02-20-2009, 11:05 AM
money talks, sad to say....

DANNYO
02-20-2009, 08:14 PM
I cant imagine staying at the Ritz and spending all that money and not being able to even enjoy the ocean.We are owners at the Surf and for the last three years in October the water and beach were horrible.Yes I know what has been done with the beach and ocean but what will be done to fix it permanently?

waltham
02-20-2009, 10:45 PM
Aruba is ruining itself. There are way too many units in the high rise area in the first place and there is no need for another hotel, especially in the current environment. As much as I like the marriott casino there are too many rooms in such a small place. Part of the appeal of Aruba WAS that it was not overbuilt and commercialized but now it is getting ridiculous.

Randi
02-22-2009, 07:09 AM
We are owners at the Surf and for the last three years in October the water and beach were horrible.Yes I know what has been done with the beach and ocean but what will be done to fix it permanently?

During my stay over the next few weeks, I am going to have meeting with the manager. I sent him a long letter after my visit in December. He responded favourally and requested we meet to discuss some of the issues I put forth. One of them was what you were asking about Dannyo. So stay tuned, and I will let you know what develops. I probably won't meet him until the week of March 1st.

Splash
02-22-2009, 07:19 AM
I cant imagine staying at the Ritz and spending all that money and not being able to even enjoy the ocean.We are owners at the Surf and for the last three years in October the water and beach were horrible.Yes I know what has been done with the beach and ocean but what will be done to fix it permanently?

Hi,

Can you explain what the problem with the beach near Surf?

Thank you,

Splash

refinery_bum
02-22-2009, 01:13 PM
I thought the Ritz was going to be built at Tera del sol?

lizzardo
02-22-2009, 03:44 PM
After the deal fell thru a few years ago - they were in talks w/ Terra Del Sol - but it didn't work out - it was going to be right by Arashi beach and StimAruba, Rainbow Warriors and many Arubians protested because Arashi is regarded as a "local" beach - they didn't want a resort to "take it over". As far as I know that area is still zoned
for a resort but there haven't been any agreements. Now Terra del Sol is busy w/ a new phase that is selling timeshares. That location is not on Arashi beach.

DANNYO
02-22-2009, 04:48 PM
During my stay over the next few weeks, I am going to have meeting with the manager. I sent him a long letter after my visit in December. He responded favourally and requested we meet to discuss some of the issues I put forth. One of them was what you were asking about Dannyo. So stay tuned, and I will let you know what develops. I probably won't meet him until the week of March 1st.Randi,When we were on Aruba in October I meet with Scott and he did explain the things that they were going to do with the beach and ocean.From what I have read they did do the beach and ocean (sea solutions) and it did help the problem.Scott is a very friendly person who will listen to everything you have to say and react to it.Tell him DannyO said hello.We will be back in October.Waiting for your report,HAVE A GREAT TRIP...

DANNYO
02-22-2009, 06:40 PM
Hi,

Can you explain what the problem with the beach near Surf?

Thank you,

SplashAfter the fishing pier was moved there has been problems with an odor and the ocean floor seems to be slimy.The Marriott owners had a company (sea solutions) to clean up the problem and from what Ive been told its allot better.It seems the way the ocean current is when there is a storm all the seaweed ends up at that end of the island.I'm sure there is other plans in the works but who knows when.With the Ritz being built next to the Marriott properties some thing will have to be done.Customers of the Ritz will demand better ocean and beach conditions.Hope this helped.

Randi
02-23-2009, 06:56 AM
Dannyo and others, the condition of the ocean floor is very good!:D We couldn't believe the difference from December. The ocean was free of debris and sea weed and the floor was great! Hard in most places only a very few (almost none) of the squishy parts. We couldn't believe how nice it was, really improved.
Dannyo, you were there in October so you will be so pleased. We were there in December so we have noticed the gradual progression.

Good job Marriott in getting Sea Solutions, worked wonders!!!

Arubalisa
02-23-2009, 10:00 AM
http://www.blogs.marriott.com/default.asp?item=2337321 (http://www.blogs.marriott.com/default.asp?item=2337321)

Interesting...Bill Marriott blogs about his visit to Aruba and mentions NOTHING about the Ritz agreement. :confused: Thinking out loud here, but you would certainly "think" that if the Ritz project was now going to proceed "full steam ahead" that Bill Marriott would be shouting it from the rooftops. :rolleyes:

Retagger
02-23-2009, 10:16 AM
There is no mention of it on their corporate website either. http://www.ritzcarlton.com/en/Locations/Upcoming.htm

The site does list all of their new and pending projects, but there is no mention of Aruba.

Arubalisa
03-08-2009, 12:36 AM
Chamber of Commerce criticizes the build of new hotels
6 Maart, 2009, 16:00 (GMT -04:00)
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_53615.php (http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_53615.php)

ORANJESTAD -- During a recent press conference, Edwin Roos, chairman of the Chamber of Commerce lashed out at the government’s decision to enter contracts for the construction of new hotels on Aruba.

He wonders how this expansion would fit within the responsible policy in view of the serious questions that the island is going to cope with in the near future. “The KvK has already published a report in 2007, in which is clearly indicated that there won’t be enough local people to replace those that retire. The government does know this.” Roos points at an earlier appeal of KvK to focus more on activities that wouldn’t burden the infrastructure and the labour market so much and to hurry with the changing of the fiscal policy to make Aruba more attractive for local and international investments.


Hotel starts
KvK is not against attracting five-star hotels, even though it is now time to start maintaining an official criterion, so that everybody can understand what those five starts imply. “The problem starts when a number of contracts are signed, without considering the additional number of extra rooms and the economic and social problems that the island is going to cope with. The problem is not whether these projects are going to be implemented or not that with the current economic climate seems yet more uncertain, but more with the fact that this is going to imply an unnecessary new series of obligations for the Land Aruba and for no matter who is going to be in office after this.”


Roos points out the Mar Azul-project that is idle for quite some time already and the free recreation area at the beaches that becomes scarcer due to the attraction of these hotels.

Also the population growth needs to be considered and with the arrival of these projects, they will continue to grow to 144.000 inhabitants. All these people will need extra space for recreation. Just like each florin can be spent just once, each meter of our coast can only be given away once. To conclude he points out the moratorium on hotel rooms, timeshares, and condominiums that is currently in effect, but that the government has not given any clarity yet.

lizzardo
03-08-2009, 09:03 AM
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