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hatteras
07-26-2020, 07:28 PM
Well, it happened. A tourist decided not to honor the quarantine after testing at the airport and is positive. Apparently, this person and partner roamed around the resort, booked a tour, went out to dinner and mingled. Now approximately 50 people have to be contact traced. Just sickening.

schexc
07-26-2020, 07:42 PM
I wonder if they will be fined?

robin
07-26-2020, 07:54 PM
The article I saw said they can be fined the US equivalent of $5700.

I hope idiots like this person do not ruin it for the rest of the people traveling to Aruba.

Pegmeister
07-26-2020, 08:04 PM
I suppose it was bound to happen. It’s infuriating that people can be so thoughtless and ignorant. Unfortunately, it’s not surprising. I look around my own neighborhood and see that people are not following guidelines

Andrea J.
07-26-2020, 08:34 PM
I had read about it in one of the aruba papers and then saw follow up on FB.

As Peg said it is "infuriating". I hate it that people are so selfish.

These are the folks that ruin it for all of us.

mjh
07-26-2020, 08:38 PM
Does anyone know which resort this traveler was staying? Very sad.

hatteras
07-26-2020, 08:45 PM
Does anyone know which resort this traveler was staying? Very sad.

The articles that I have seen aren't releasing that information. Yes, it is very sad that their stupid decisions have now put so many people in danger.

Kent-ArubaBob
07-26-2020, 08:54 PM
To me I just can't figure out why they won't release information to where they were staying. But yet they want to trace. So why not state the place where they stayed and then we could all help with the tracing. I just can't figure that one out. Maybe thats just me!!!!

Andrea J.
07-26-2020, 09:05 PM
is it wrong of me to hope that the "cheating unscrupulous covid positive person" gets sent to the lovely ocean view prison?
in isolation of course!

Rubaguy62
07-26-2020, 09:16 PM
What about all the people on the flight in and any other contacts on way to airport there should be charges for reckless endangerment no respect for others at all totally ignorant hope they make an example of them

Andrea J.
07-26-2020, 09:31 PM
at least on the flight and in the airport we have to assume all stayed MASKED!

What about all the people on the flight in and any other contacts on way to airport there should be charges for reckless endangerment no respect for others at all totally ignorant hope they make an example of them

Traceyd14
07-26-2020, 09:46 PM
This is one of the reasons Covid scares me. I'm thinking this person was asymptomatic and thought oh I'm fine (selfishly not waiting for test results). But this is how easy a spread can happen, now here we are with at least 50 contacts. It makes me think are we being selfish by traveling and then potentially return to work or the grocery store, or family home during the holiday season that follows our trip. Ugh...the anxiety continues.

Andrea J.
07-26-2020, 09:59 PM
yup

and just think........schools here open in 2 weeks.


Ravalrez11's experiences (https://www.aruba.com/forum/f18/ravalrez11s-experiences-73186/)
posting 6 on this linked thread gives the quarantine instructions as attachments

QUOTE=Traceyd14;362809]This is one of the reasons Covid scares me. I'm thinking this person was asymptomatic and thought oh I'm fine (selfishly not waiting for test results). But this is how easy a spread can happen, now here we are with at least 50 contacts. It makes me think are we being selfish by traveling and then potentially return to work or the grocery store, or family home during the holiday season that follows our trip. Ugh...the anxiety continues.[/QUOTE]

Aruba4ever
07-26-2020, 10:18 PM
NO its not!!!!! That is where they deserve to go and no place else...just awful IMO and the reason NOBODY should be able to enter without a test....some are just selfish and you can't ever fix that.



is it wrong of me to hope that the "cheating unscrupulous covid positive person" gets sent to the lovely ocean view prison?
in isolation of course!

cmynes
07-26-2020, 10:43 PM
NO its not!!!!! That is where they deserve to go and no place else...just awful IMO and the reason NOBODY should be able to enter without a test....some are just selfish and you can't ever fix that.
I agree. Aruba needs to change something. Everyone should be tested before arriving. I know Aruba government knows it’s nearly impossible to get back results in 2 days. Maybe they should change it to 96 hours instead of 72 hours. If Aruba wants to allow people in it cannot be on the honor system. They need to be secluded in another place or have hotel staff watch them. But honestly being in a plane with some who were not tested yet is very scary so have everyone test before.
does the Aruba government know about this?!!

brady bear
07-26-2020, 10:44 PM
It's so freaking sad (just can't or allow to say what I want to )
people aren't obeying simple rules. Not just there but everywhere.
Follow simple rules, that are not going to kill you but may kill others.
Hope those couple are banned from flying anywhere but one way ticket
to where they came from.

Aruba4ever
07-26-2020, 10:54 PM
A one way ticket to hell and back maybe> just a jerk move.


It's so freaking sad (just can't or allow to say what I want to )
people aren't obeying simple rules. Not just there but everywhere.
Follow simple rules, that are not going to kill you but may kill others.
Hope those couple are banned from flying anywhere but one way ticket
to where they came from.

robin
07-26-2020, 11:02 PM
People have been tested in Aruba and there were a few positive cases, but as long as they followed the guidelines, everything should be okay, but his idiot did not follow directions.

I know some people feel that all testing should happen at home, however; just because someone test negative 72 hours out does not mean they will not contract the virus after being tested.

I think that either way there is possibility someone may be positive.

cmynes
07-26-2020, 11:08 PM
This is happening everywhere In the US. Sadly some people think the virus is political. I was trusting Aruba to do the right thing but they need to react to this problem of people not quarantining; it happened with someone else stopping at grocery store. They should make it 4 days for everyone to get tested Instead of 3 and make it simple to upload info. I’ve read horror stories about people uploading results day before travel but because it was more than 12 hours before travel it wiped out all info. This is a stressful process that doesn’t need to be. I as leaning towards not canceling Sept trip but now I don’t know! Stop testing in Aruba. It is putting everyone at risk!

Mohair
07-27-2020, 01:09 AM
The tourist who broke quarantine should get the maximum penalty, but we should not panic about this. So far more than 10,000 tourists have entered the country and 9 of them have tested positive. That makes the odds of encountering someone with the virus on your trip greater than 1000 to 1. Please take comfort from that. If five planes have 200 passengers there will be one who has covid, and he or she will be wearing a mask and so will you.

sundialSoft
07-27-2020, 04:17 AM
The person or persons who broke quarantine then tested positive must be fined quickly and that information made very public to put off other potential breakers. I don't advocate publishing information on origin airport as this might put off potential travellers or have other knock on effects.

As we cannot get tested before departure in the UK (tests exclusively for people with symptoms) we are reliant on the on-arrival testing.

If the Aruba government are forced into making pre-departure testing mandatory then we will have to cancel our flights & get a voucher from KLM and Aruba will just be as memory for us. As it's a month before our holiday we are concerned to say the least.

sundialSoft
07-27-2020, 06:47 AM
If they stop testing in Aruba then some people are excluded. We cannot get a test in the UK unless we have symptoms.
A test 72 hours before departure gives 3 days to catch covid, take it in to Aruba and spread it so a test on arrival still has positive benefits.
As we cannot trust everyone it's important that they can see that action is taken against those who break quarantine.

Jacki
07-27-2020, 07:22 AM
I have less than 2 weeks in my countdown. These idiots better have screwed my plans!!!!

ArubaAce
07-27-2020, 07:35 AM
WOW...Makes me want to rethink my plans for September trip. I have diabetes so I'm a high risk.

I know this sounds harsh but perhaps if you have to test in Aruba airport, they should send you straight to the quarantine place to wait it out for test results. The daily insurance covers it so why not.

Pegmeister
07-27-2020, 08:01 AM
I have less than 2 weeks in my countdown. These idiots better have screwed my plans!!!!

...better have NOT screwed my plans!! I really hope that doesn’t happen. I know how much you are looking forward to your trip.

Andrea J.
07-27-2020, 08:39 AM
we all need to be responsible ...we not only should be proactive for ourselves, but it is our duty to protect others.

Kent-ArubaBob
07-27-2020, 09:08 AM
And can you imagine if you were one of the 50 that they need to trace? That means your trip just turned into a 2 week quarantine. And if you were working at the restaurant that they went to, 2 weeks at home in quarantine. If you was the car rental people or the tour they did, 2 weeks quarantine. That is crazy!!!

cpjones
07-27-2020, 10:22 AM
.....it's universal.... you just plain can't fix stupid! :mad:

bhoffdhoff
07-27-2020, 10:31 AM
Our vacation this past spring was rescheduled for later in the fall. I hope we can still go. This will be our 20th year. We have tried to be so careful as we are older. I hope this stupid person doesn't ruin it for everybody.

charterprincess
07-27-2020, 10:44 AM
We landed on the 10th, staying in our villa but had to stay in hotel on 13th. When i checked in, they asked for my test results, i explained i had been on island since 10th & pre-tested. I wonder if hotels are checking to see your status so they can kinda “monitor” you if you are to be quarantined? This was the hyatt place by the airport, so it’s small & very low occupancy right now, easier to keep an eye out.
But would be nice if there were a system that indicates you are in the clear or if you are to be quarantined while waiting for test results to help police this. Nothing overcomplicated, Ie at airport, you get a color coded card (or wristband like they do at all inclusive) based on your status, &/or you have to carry your phone and AUA can update your status on health app. Then hotel, restaurant, grocery store etc can ask for these before they let you in. We all carry store loyalty/casino (& credit) cards - what’s one more? Im sure people would complain, but just like having to take the tests - if you really want to be in Aruba & care about others, you will do it/make it work. Of course there is more to it to make a system work & im not trying to go down that rabbit hole on this thread. I’m just suggesting some sort of system bc there are going to be these yahoos that just dont care & it’s easier to introduce it now vs later. I was all over the island the 1st few days we were here bc it was the safest it could be & we were taking advantage of that bc we knew it wouldn’t last...now im a little more cautious, not going to popular tourist areas, bc you just dont know if there are yahoos not following rules. (Another option -shuttle everyone to cruise ship to wait out quarantine in a cabin - lol - just kidding!) :)

schexc
07-27-2020, 03:58 PM
.....it's universal.... you just plain can't fix stupid! :mad:

Oh yes you can...:mad:

cpjones
07-27-2020, 04:28 PM
Oh yes you can...:mad:

Respectfully disagree....! :rolleyes:

AUA1989
07-27-2020, 04:37 PM
Until a rapid test exists that gives a same day result, I think testing, be it 72 hrs, 96 hrs, 48 hrs is worthless. If someone gets tested on Sunday and gets a negative response on Wednesday, that result is only a "picture in time" as to that person's status on Sunday. What about everyplace that person went on Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday; they could have been exposed at any time after their test. Unless I'm unaware of part of the testing requirement that states people are to quarantine after they are tested until they board their flight to AUA.


I agree. Aruba needs to change something. Everyone should be tested before arriving. I know Aruba government knows it’s nearly impossible to get back results in 2 days. Maybe they should change it to 96 hours instead of 72 hours. If Aruba wants to allow people in it cannot be on the honor system. They need to be secluded in another place or have hotel staff watch them. But honestly being in a plane with some who were not tested yet is very scary so have everyone test before.
does the Aruba government know about this?!!

AUA1989
07-27-2020, 04:39 PM
And I forgot to mention, THAT TOURIST IS GOING TO RUIN IT FOR EVERYONE!!!!!!!

cmynes
07-27-2020, 05:54 PM
And I forgot to mention, THAT TOURIST IS GOING TO RUIN IT FOR EVERYONE!!!!!!!
Yes but this is partly Aruba’s fault for trusting 100% of those being tested in Aruba To go on their merry way after testing. They need to have a better monitoring system because there will be 1 or 2 people who will not cooperate or they don’t believe in the quarantine. How do you think we hit the 4 million mark worldwide? Many don’t take this seriously. At the very least Aruba should put people up somewhere else when tested in Aruba. I spoke to Aruba tourism today. They are having a press conference on this situation today. They are not giving out info on what hotel was affected etc. But this is not good. They have not been able to contact trace all people.

WaltVB
07-27-2020, 06:36 PM
Yes but this is partly Aruba’s fault for trusting 100% of those being tested in Aruba To go on their merry way after testing. They need to have a better monitoring system because there will be 1 or 2 people who will not cooperate or they don’t believe in the quarantine. How do you think we hit the 4 million mark worldwide? Many don’t take this seriously. At the very least Aruba should put people up somewhere else when tested in Aruba. I spoke to Aruba tourism today. They are having a press conference on this situation today. They are not giving out info on what hotel was affected etc. But this is not good. They have not been able to contact trace all people.

Aruba's fault? No it's not. It's the fault of the self entitled POS that broke the rules. What better monitoring system? Ankle bracelets? You want Aruba to put people up till the test results come back? I vote for an AI place... :rolleyes:

schexc
07-27-2020, 06:46 PM
Aruba's fault? No it's not. It's the fault of the self entitled POS that broke the rules. What better monitoring system? Ankle bracelets? You want Aruba to put people up till the test results come back? I vote for an AI place... :rolleyes:

And not just food...;)

schexc
07-27-2020, 06:47 PM
Respectfully disagree....! :rolleyes:

Respectfully, I didn't say that they would still be bre......:rolleyes:

robin
07-27-2020, 07:38 PM
Stupid, arrogant, entitled, selfish and ignorant. The fine should be double what it is and they should be barred from ever visiting Aruba again.

LisaGrn
07-27-2020, 08:51 PM
I'm just home from work and catching up on today's posts. This is just simply awful and disgusting.
While it would be interesting to know where these selfish people were staying, I can understand why the name isn't being released. But having said that, query if they were staying at a resort or hotel, isn't the establishment somewhat culpable as well? While certainly not fullproof, none of this is, it had to be known this couple was waiting for clearance. Just a thought and probably not realistic at the bigger resorts. It's all really just a clusterf*** and I question if any of us should be traveling out of the country until there is a viable vaccine. After all, while we all love to go on vacation, it is just a vacation, not essential travel. I worry about any of you there now or still planning to go. I was really looking forward to my September trip to the island but I'm glad I decided to cancel it.

Andrea J.
07-27-2020, 09:20 PM
1. you really should not let your job interfere with this forum!! ;) ;)

I understand that some are believing that culpability should be shared between the cheaters, the resorts, Aruba government.
I believe that Aruba and the resorts have done very well in playing it safe and keeping us all on track.
We are all adults and we had better start to behave that way.
I believe that the honor system re: quarantining for those 5 or 8 or 12 hours is the only way that can work.
The keyword is HONOR.

I have used that "Cluster word" about 5 times today.






I'm just home from work and catching up on today's posts. This is just simply awful and disgusting.
While it would be interesting to know where these selfish people were staying, I can understand why the name isn't being released. But having said that, query if they were staying at a resort or hotel, isn't the establishment somewhat culpable as well? While certainly not fullproof, none of this is, it had to be known this couple was waiting for clearance. Just a thought and probably not realistic at the bigger resorts. It's all really just a clusterf*** and I question if any of us should be traveling out of the country until there is a viable vaccine. After all, while we all love to go on vacation, it is just a vacation, not essential travel. I worry about any of you there now or still planning to go. I was really looking forward to my September trip to the island but I'm glad I decided to cancel it.

LisaGrn
07-27-2020, 10:02 PM
Hah! Trust me, I'd much rather spend my days reading and posting!
I was really just throwing out random thoughts. I still think Aruba is doing a great job given all the challenges.


1. you really should not let your job interfere with this forum!! ;) ;)

I understand that some are believing that culpability should be shared between the cheaters, the resorts, Aruba government.
I believe that Aruba and the resorts have done very well in playing it safe and keeping us all on track.
We are all adults and we had better start to behave that way.
I believe that the honor system re: quarantining for those 5 or 8 or 12 hours is the only way that can work.
The keyword is HONOR.

I have used that "Cluster word" about 5 times today.

vallond
07-28-2020, 09:34 AM
What those visitors did by violating their quarantine instructions was flat out wrong. I hope the fine that they both have to pay was worth the risk that they expose a lot of people to. Also the Covid test that is required prior to arrival on Aruba, 72 hours( three days before departure) is cutting it a bit too close. My aunt, her husband and son are due to travel to Aruba from NY on Saturday 1st August. They found a place to undergo their Covid test with their appointment being on Wednesday afternoon. Hoping and praying that all goes well with them. The time frame before travelling needs to be revised, other islands in the Caribbean that require testing before arrival ask that the tests be done somewhere from seven to ten days before arrival. Which seems a bit more reasonable depending on where you have to go to get your testing done and the length of time that it will take. Just saying.

sundialSoft
07-28-2020, 09:58 AM
I'm wondering whether some of the people who are directly affected by this (eg: forced into quarantine if that happens) will consider involving lawyers to get compensation directly from the 'visitor' who broke quarantine. Anyone who is from the same country / state would be able to consider this.

Perhaps the Aruba authorities could consider making people stay in an airport hotel for one night until their results are available. They could then control the movement of people. Perhaps this seems too authoritarian at present however covid is here for a couple of years until vaccines are here. The visitors would pay for the hotel but in some cases this would not cost them any more money.


I came across this official info dated 27 July 'In case instructions will not be followed, the department of public health will investigate the case and if applicable consequences will follow for the resident or tourist who is not complying with the measures. In reality the persons cannot be checked 24 hours a day and therefore the island is asking all to take their own responsibility and be disciplined because the taken measures are to protect yourself and others. We need everyone to collaborate so we can continue keeping Aruba as safe as possible.'

Aruba4ever
07-28-2020, 10:10 AM
We saw my wifes cousin who is a doctor down south yesterday...she said their testing site is saying 5-7 days turn around time for the PCR test BUT its been more like 10 days-2 weeks lately as they are so backed up.

brady bear
07-28-2020, 10:57 AM
Just got tested again.. it takes up to five days.
But as I mentioned before my lab girls owner will test us (PCR) as a stat order; even going to do it at my job, since they
will be there . Will get the results in hours too.
Andrea you and Paul are all set up as well. Will PM you the information.

Andrea J.
07-28-2020, 11:04 AM
terrific!
we were tested here last week.... the testing company LabStat came back again, did the nasal PCR test.
we got our results 45 min ago. Neg.
we will use them again b4 we go to Brady Bear's company.... just because wearing a belt and suspenders is "our thing"
Just got tested again.. it takes up to five days.
But as I mentioned before my lab girls owner will test us (PCR) as a stat order; even going to do it at my job, since they
will be there . Will get the results in hours too.
Andrea you and Paul are all set up as well. Will PM you the information.

ArubaAngela
07-28-2020, 01:54 PM
where in Florida are you guys? Anywhere near Ft Myers??



terrific!
we were tested here last week.... the testing company LabStat came back again, did the nasal PCR test.
we got our results 45 min ago. Neg.
we will use them again b4 we go to Brady Bear's company.... just because wearing a belt and suspenders is "our thing"

Andrea J.
07-28-2020, 02:57 PM
Tampa Bay area


where in Florida are you guys? Anywhere near Ft Myers??

Andrea J.
07-28-2020, 03:29 PM
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Over the past few days, it was revealed that Aruba’s 14th case of COVID-19 was a tourist who broke the quarantine rules, defying the 24-hour isolation protocol while awaiting their test results. On Friday, a tourist from the United States arrived on Aruba and did their COVID-19 test at the airport. As according to protocol, the traveler must go into quarantine and isolate themselves at their hotel or designated location for 24 hours while they await their test results. However, on the same day of arrival, this person and his partner broke the quarantine rules and went out and about on the streets, dining at a restaurant and even visited a tourist information center, creating contact and exposure with many others around them. Unfortunately, when this traveler received their test result, they tested positive for COVID-19.
Their partner received a negative test result. However, she will be expected to display symptoms in the days to come, given that her partner tested positive. Contact tracing was implemented to track the different places the couple visited and the people they may have exposed themselves to, requiring additional time and manpower from DVG (Department of Public Health). This calls into question the level of control exercised by DVG and the hotel, who should be responsible for ensuring that the guests do not leave their premises and defy quarantine orders.
This also raises the question of whether it is advisable to continue allowing tourists (who have not done their tests abroad) to still travel to Aruba and have their test done at the airport. There has been ongoing discussion in the community regarding how tourists who are unable to test prior to travelling, should not be allowed to enter Aruba, given the danger and risk they pose to everyone travelling with them in the airplane, as well as the many others they may come in contact with during their journey. This issue is highlighted especially considering how many countries have closed their borders to the USA, which has one of the highest infections of corona virus. Moreover, the greatest concern in allowing such travelers to get tested here, is that those who do not comply with travel regulations create an exponential risk for our local residents and other tourists. These concerns are now validated, given this clear example of what happens when local rules and regulations are not respected by tourists. Everyone who travels to Aruba must abide by all travel and quarantine rules, as stipulated by the government. Violating quarantine rules in Aruba is an offense and those responsible can be fined US $5000. Currently, Aruba maintains 14 active cases of COVID-19, out of which 9 are tourists and 5 are residents.

Pegmeister
07-28-2020, 04:10 PM
That is a hefty fine. I would hope that the tourist who violated quarantine would have to pay it. An example needs to be set. Unfortunately, I would assume discussions will come with regard to whether or not to allow US tourists in.

sundialSoft
07-28-2020, 04:57 PM
I would expect the authorities to make decisions once they see how many people are infected by this reckless individual and his/her partner. As I have mentioned elsewhere we cannot have a test in the UK prior to travel and we have changed our flights and added two days to the holiday to allow for up to 24 hours quarantine. If Aruba requires pre-testing then we will have to book elsewhere and give up on our Aruba dream.

WaltVB
07-28-2020, 05:09 PM
If tourists from the US are banned again, and I think that's the right thing to do if cases start increasing substantially, we have no one to blame, we can't post whining about it, we just get to sit back and accept it. It sucks for sure, but I think privacy laws will protect the offenders so nothing can be done. I think the $5000 fine is light, $10,000 would get someones attention. If we are banned again for a long period of time there just might be a timeshare for sale at Surf Club.

schexc
07-28-2020, 06:53 PM
$5000.00 X 2= appropriate...

Pegmeister
07-28-2020, 06:56 PM
I don’t think I would whine if the borders were closed to the US again. After all, we have already cancelled our trip and haven’t made any future plans. I do, however, feel there is someone to blame and that would be the selfish individuals who broke quarantine. Pray that those they were in contact with don’t end up sick.

Andrea J.
07-28-2020, 07:00 PM
This apparently happened on Friday.
Did anyone happen to see if Prime Minister Evelyn Wever-Croes make a comment about this situation when it happened?
I know that I read about it on Saturday, but cannot find any other articles other than the Aruba Times.

robin
07-28-2020, 07:26 PM
I really don't know how they can control what people do during the quarantine. Hotels can't put guards on the doors of individual rooms and other accommodations such as AirBNB, condos, etc. have even less control than a resort/hotel/timeshare.

Praying for a safe, effective vaccine.

Pegmeister
07-28-2020, 07:33 PM
Hawaii as I understand it were really strict with the tourists. Some hotels set the door key cards so that if they left the room during quarantine, they would need to go to the desk to get back in. At that point, authorities could be called. At the time I thought wow that’s a bit much, but now, knowing there are people who make their own rules, maybe it’s not such a bad idea.

B Likes To Travel
07-28-2020, 09:13 PM
I’m not at all surprised that this happened given the selfish attitudes of people throughout this experience. They probably either thought “We’ve been careful so we probably don’t have it,” or they thought “we don’t care/it’s not real.” I’ve seen ample displays of this selfishness along with a “who will stop me” attitude. I hope they enjoy their quarantine.

Andrea J.
07-28-2020, 09:56 PM
B Likes to Travel is BRI


I’m not at all surprised that this happened given the selfish attitudes of people throughout this experience. They probably either thought “We’ve been careful so we probably don’t have it,” or they thought “we don’t care/it’s not real.” I’ve seen ample displays of this selfishness along with a “who will stop me” attitude. I hope they enjoy their quarantine.

WaltVB
07-29-2020, 08:44 AM
I’m not at all surprised that this happened given the selfish attitudes of people throughout this experience. They probably either thought “We’ve been careful so we probably don’t have it,” or they thought “we don’t care/it’s not real.” I’ve seen ample displays of this selfishness along with a “who will stop me” attitude. I hope they enjoy their quarantine.

I hope their quarantine is at KIA.

Andrea J.
07-29-2020, 09:08 AM
for those that don't know KIA........is is not an auto dealership, it is the Aruba prison

8337


I hope their quarantine is at KIA.

Pegmeister
07-29-2020, 09:25 AM
I think we would all like to seem them go to KIA! Am I correct in assuming that they are probably quarantined for at least 2 weeks at a designated facility? Then they need to have two negative tests before being released? If so, that in itself will give them time to reflect.

ArubaAce
07-29-2020, 09:26 AM
for those that don't know KIA........is is not an auto dealership, it is the Aruba prison

8337Do the cells have Ocean View and do they serve Keshi Yena for lunch or dinner? LOL

Andrea J.
07-29-2020, 09:34 AM
Is the 1 infected person from this couple of selfish individuals in covid isolation in one of the leased properties? Would the their partner in travel and crime who tested negative is in quarantine at their resort?


I think we would all like to seem them go to KIA! Am I correct in assuming that they are probably quarantined for at least 2 weeks at a designated facility? Then they need to have two negative tests before being released? If so, that in itself will give them time to reflect.

Pegmeister
07-29-2020, 09:54 AM
Is the 1 infected person from this couple of selfish individuals in covid isolation in one of the leased properties? Would the their partner in travel and crime who tested negative is in quarantine at their resort?

Happy thoughts! Just to see people held accountable would make me feel better.

ArubaAce
07-29-2020, 10:08 AM
I'm kind of concerned that children do not need to be tested to fly into Aruba. There has been a spike of children getting sick due to covid. It's unusual on account that they tested negative but had the antibody yet got really sick. Also if someone tests at airport, results are positive, do they have to do contact tracing with everyone who was on the same flight and quarantine them as well? If this was addressed already on another post my apologies..

brady bear
07-29-2020, 12:04 PM
where in Florida are you guys? Anywhere near Ft Myers??

Daytona Beach area

schexc
07-29-2020, 02:14 PM
I'm kind of concerned that children do not need to be tested to fly into Aruba. There has been a spike of children getting sick due to covid. It's unusual on account that they tested negative but had the antibody yet got really sick. Also if someone tests at airport, results are positive, do they have to do contact tracing with everyone who was on the same flight and quarantine them as well? If this was addressed already on another post my apologies..

I think Andrea answered that in another post. The assumption is that if everyone is masked on the plane, then the other passengers don't have to quarantine.

ArubaAce
07-29-2020, 04:17 PM
I think Andrea answered that in another post. The assumption is that if everyone is masked on the plane, then the other passengers don't have to quarantine. Thx good to know and with the airlines really working and making the effort to invest in disinfecting planes also helps.

qlaval
07-29-2020, 06:11 PM
geee....
$5,000 each & banned for life, upon recovery kick them out of the country...

Pegmeister
07-30-2020, 11:30 AM
One of the nicest thing about this forum is that we can disagree responsibly and respectfully. We all have our opinions and in these stressful times we should make that extra effort to not offend. To say someone is ridiculous and irresponsible is NOT cool.

Andrea J.
07-30-2020, 02:15 PM
I deleted the disrespectful posting.

Although we all do not agree on many things, we are REQUIRED to be respectful.

This is not FB where it is a "free for all."



One of the nicest thing about this forum is that we can disagree responsibly and respectfully. We all have our opinions and in these stressful times we should make that extra effort to not offend. To say someone is ridiculous and irresponsible is NOT cool.

Aruba4ever
07-30-2020, 02:36 PM
Yep, 5k each and banned for life...pretty simple IMO.


geee....
$5,000 each & banned for life, upon recovery kick them out of the country...

B Likes To Travel
07-30-2020, 02:45 PM
I wonder how a fine could be enforced? Throw them in jail if they can't pay then send them home?
A ban would certainly be appropriate and guaranteed.

Aruba4ever
07-30-2020, 02:51 PM
Here is my thoughtful and sensitive idea, lol- If they can't afford the fine they could work it off an hour a time picking up trash along the island at a rate of $9 florin and hour....that is about their min wage unless its gone up recently...when they have paid their fine they are "free" to return home to never return again.

I am not one you would ever want on your jury if your guilty as I am a rule follower, simple, simple simple.


I wonder how a fine could be enforced? Throw them in jail if they can't pay then send them home?
A ban would certainly be appropriate and guaranteed.

brady bear
07-30-2020, 04:16 PM
Do the "crime" do the "time"

LisaGrn
07-30-2020, 09:13 PM
I'm with you on that one, Jay! And they have to wear face masks the whole time. They should have lovely Covid-19 tans by the time they're done!


Here is my thoughtful and sensitive idea, lol- If they can't afford the fine they could work it off an hour a time picking up trash along the island at a rate of $9 florin and hour....that is about their min wage unless its gone up recently...when they have paid their fine they are "free" to return home to never return again.

I am not one you would ever want on your jury if your guilty as I am a rule follower, simple, simple simple.

robin
07-30-2020, 09:48 PM
I'm with you on that one, Jay! And they have to wear face masks the whole time. They should have lovely Covid-19 tans by the time they're done!

Saw this months ago.

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Jacki
07-31-2020, 07:17 AM
I watched the recording of LaCabana's owner's meeting last night. If a guest takes the test at the airport and is to be quarantined until the results are received, their key card is only good to use for 30 minutes. If you leave the room, you will not be able to get back in. By the same idea, you can not check in then go to a restaurant or the beach or food shopping. They will offer food & beverage service or if you have forgotten something that is necessity just call the desk and they will do their best to help. Smart!

Andrea J.
07-31-2020, 09:15 AM
I think that LaCabana is doing a great job with this whole pandemic thing.
they are not playing catch up.


I watched the recording of LaCabana's owner's meeting last night. If a guest takes the test at the airport and is to be quarantined until the results are received, their key card is only good to use for 30 minutes. If you leave the room, you will not be able to get back in. By the same idea, you can not check in then go to a restaurant or the beach or food shopping. They will offer food & beverage service or if you have forgotten something that is necessity just call the desk and they will do their best to help. Smart!

robin
07-31-2020, 09:19 AM
I watched the recording of LaCabana's owner's meeting last night. If a guest takes the test at the airport and is to be quarantined until the results are received, their key card is only good to use for 30 minutes. If you leave the room, you will not be able to get back in. By the same idea, you can not check in then go to a restaurant or the beach or food shopping. They will offer food & beverage service or if you have forgotten something that is necessity just call the desk and they will do their best to help. Smart!

Could a couple/family go to their room and one member leave to, lets say, go shopping or pick up take out while the rest of the group stays inside to let the person who left back in?

Andrea J.
07-31-2020, 09:27 AM
absolutely..........if they have no scruples.
LaCabana is doing a great proactive job, but certainly cannot do it all.


Could a couple/family go to their room and one member leave to, lets say, go shopping or pick up take out while the rest of the group stays inside to let the person who left back in?

robin
07-31-2020, 09:37 AM
absolutely..........if they have no scruples.
LaCabana is doing a great proactive job, but certainly cannot do it all.

They are really being proactive, but sadly, there are always those who will try to get around systems that are there for everyone benefit.

Vincent
08-01-2020, 08:51 AM
We didn't come to visit Aruba because in New Jersey its impossible to get results (or even a PCR test) within 72hrs...And even if it wasn't an ED Card requirement We just didn't want to take the chance of testing covid positive at the airport and be quarantined of which we'd honor. So just think...if the posts are accurate the people who tested covid positive and defied the quarantine could be fined $5700 US turning a $5k trip into a $11,000 US trip....ouch..!!!

Rubaguy62
08-01-2020, 06:05 PM
Price should be much higher for being that much of a. Fill in the blank

Aruba4ever
08-01-2020, 08:23 PM
Great minds think alike!!!!


Price should be much higher for being that much of a. Fill in the blank

EDMLS1358
08-02-2020, 10:40 AM
Great minds think alike!!!!
You cant teach stupid.