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    Not rambling at all. I totally relate. Tom worked for over 40 years in the Water Department. They once had a disgruntled worker whose girlfriend called and said he had a gun. Tom had the afternoon off but a police officer came and warned him and advised him not to go home. It’s scary!

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    There but for the Grace of God

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    Thanks. Jon just reminded me that about 6 or 7 years ago, I had applied for a job in that Public Works department.

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    I was brought up and still live near Sandy Hook. The sadness that hung over CT was palpable and all felt for sure the senseless slaughter of so many children would surely FINALLY be the incident to cause a change. Sadly, even that wasn't enough. I fear this country will never change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LisaGrn View Post
    I was brought up and still live near Sandy Hook. The sadness that hung over CT was palpable and all felt for sure the senseless slaughter of so many children would surely FINALLY be the incident to cause a change. Sadly, even that wasn't enough. I fear this country will never change.

    I live in CT too and remember that sad day clearly. I still cannot understand how that massacre of babies Was not the impetus to implement some reasonable gun controls that would restrict access to assault weapons and large capacit clips. Once you accept that babies in schools are fair game, it is all over, in my opinion.

    My sister was in Vegas for that shooting, and was hiding behind a street vendor's cart. The girl pulled her behind the kiosk with her until it was safe.

    I swear I will vomit if Congress makes a motion for prayers.

    Walt- I am so glad you and your family are safe. I have no words for what is in my mind right now other than thank God.


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    Quote Originally Posted by nancyg56 View Post

    I swear I will vomit if Congress makes a motion for prayers.
    The common denominator with all these shootings...… is always 'thoughts and prayers'..... and no action to try to prevent a repeat.... none! DW is an elementary ELL teacher..... and they go thru regular 'active shooter drills'..... Sad!
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    my older grandson will be in kindergarten at the end of August.
    I will add to my worry list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpjones View Post
    The common denominator with all these shootings...… is always 'thoughts and prayers'..... and no action to try to prevent a repeat.... none! DW is an elementary ELL teacher..... and they go thru regular 'active shooter drills'..... Sad!

    I am all for praying but I believe the Good Lord expects us help ourselves as well. This nonsense of supporting the NRA when such a vast majority of our citizens want some sort of reasonable control makes me ill.

    Wednesday while I was in line at Costco I overheard a Mom discussing the active shooter drill with her young son. It broke my heart to hear that little voice explaining to Mom how he was hiding and staying silent.

    This year my DGD who is a senior in HS went through a lock down. It was awful, although thank God there was no gunman. One thing it did was highlight the holes in our program, as well as highlight the things our PD and first responders did right. Because it was not a drill there was no warning to anyone it would take place, and that helped to showcase where there were errors, and the area that were working. This happened right after Parkland, s the kids were terrified. There was an open town meeting after that, in which it was made clear that we want more, not less security for our students, and we want it spread throughout all area in town where people tend to gather.

    I also need to say that when the call was sent tot eh bus complaint that the HS was locked down and needed an immediate response to transport students, drivers were told it was voluntary. Not one driver refused. They all jumped in their busses and rolled. These were not first responders, trained and ready to respond to danger. They were parents and friends of students and they went forward not knowing what they were going to encounter. I have always looked to my police and emergency responders as heroe, but I have added the school bus drivers of America into that mixed bag of Heroes.


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    Lock down aka active shooter drills have been common place for many years in schools. They are always scary, even if they are just a drill. The kids do take it very seriously. We had a lot of difficult conversations with the kids(3rd grade)-especially after what happened in CT.

    We used to have two fire drills a month and that was it. Before I retired we had one fire drill and one other drill-
    1.lockdown(done the most)
    2. bomb scare
    3. one in which the entire school went into the cafeteria in case we needed to shut down the air intakes due to an environmental issue-ex. we were near railroad and if there was a derailment of a tank with hazardous chemicals
    4. shelter in place-severe storm, rabid animal on the property(this did happen), event outside of the building(they've used our grounds for medical helicopter landings) basically don't go outside and stay away from the windows
    5. evacuation-such as a natural gas leak or broken water pipe(used at another school in the district)

    We also had drills that combined lockdown/active shooter and fire drill. If you are in a lockdown and the fire alarm goes off you do not leave the building as it is taking you out of relative safety into an open area.

    When we first began doing the lockdown, we found a lot of issues-our classroom doors only locked from the outside. Our principal walked down the hallway finger shooting those of us trying to lock our doors-it was everyone, so we had to find a way to change the locking system so we could keep our classrooms doors unlocked, but quickly lock them from inside. We had to add shades to the windows in the doors. We also realized that someone could grab one of us coming in from the side parking lots(use key cards) and enter the building from other than the front office, so all classrooms phones had to be given access to the intercom system.

    We, thankfully, never had a true lockdown situation, but came close due to an irate parent.

    Sadly, nothing is changing as far as gun control. Even if they ban the types of weapons used, there is still so much of it out there already. I don't think our law makers have what is needed to make real change in this area which I think includes:future ban on automatic, semi automatic, bump stocks, etc., a strong buy back program, national registration and licensing of weapons, national system that monitors purchases of weapons and ammo, yearly registration fee of weapons(like a car registration), yearly mental health check those who own weapons, if a sale is private the person selling must go with the person purchasing to register to make sure it happens or be held liable if that weapon is used to commit a crime.




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    We had a lockdown a few years back after a bank was robbed by gunpoint right down the street from our school. It was at the end of the school day so I knew it was not a practice drill....my heart was racing and I had no idea what was going on. I locked myself in my office as I was off duty at the time. I am not sure if it was better being all alone or with others...but none of us enjoyed it much.

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    ..... I do remember civil defense drills in the late 50s and early 60s....... everyone into the lowest point in the school.... away from windows avoiding the effects of a nuclular attack.
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