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Andrea J.
08-07-2020, 03:32 PM
additional positives

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https://www.noticiacla.com/news/20097?fbclid=IwAR2ictri7NPiE7dLgAtJ7wpb6ZXCSvEc4aN 2R060crXKkfMgmNipZlhS5o4

Aruba4ever
08-07-2020, 03:43 PM
Its out of control. I won't speculate but I see drastic changes happening within days.

cmynes
08-07-2020, 04:03 PM
OMG just saw 133 more cases today. I feel so bad. I can’t believe this is happening. Before they opened borders they were ay zero cases so they must have been doing something right then! Not good for Aruba or for us!

cmynes
08-07-2020, 04:06 PM
Andrea, do you think they will close the borders again?

WaltVB
08-07-2020, 05:12 PM
I apologize for the post that was originally here.

Andrea J.
08-07-2020, 05:24 PM
I don't.
I kind of hope they will though.
I do not know how they will handle hospitalizations if lots of these sick people need hospitalization.


Andrea, do you think they will close the borders again?

Traceyd14
08-07-2020, 05:49 PM
What I'm seeing is that most restaurants are testing all employees whether they have symptoms or not. The increases we are seeing these last couple days are based on increased testing. Restaurants are being responsible, protecting their staff, their families, and visitors. Every post I've seen from restaurants are stating that people are feeling good, but testing positive. That's scary. I could be feel perfectly fine, have no fever, and test positive.

I cannot imagine the feelings of those in Aruba, so much uncertainty on their well-being, healthwise, financially, and just over-all. I have seen people say the percentages are small compared to the number of visitors, but the percentages are not small compared to the capacity of the ICU at the hospital

I don't want to go and be quarantined. I don't want to be sick in another country away from home. I don't want to be stuck if my flights cancel. Walt, we also stand to lose money not going and I hope that doesn't happen, but honestly it is the least important factor here. People of Aruba need tourism. Young people don't seem to understand that they can feel fine but spread to people who will get sick. Everything about this virus is terrible.

Aruba4ever
08-07-2020, 05:51 PM
I think/hope they will 100 percent close if they have any smarts- again only my opinion. I honestly expect an announcement by Monday morning.

gortvaan
08-07-2020, 05:54 PM
I heard from our contractor that they traced the beginning of spreed to a large group of student from Nederland that went partying with locals. The age of infected people is between 16 and 39, nobody is seriously sick, at least yet.

Arawak
08-07-2020, 06:07 PM
Soooo much misinformation around.

No, the borders will not close unless hospital capacity is reached.

No, it wasn't because of the American tourists. It was because those local party peeps decided it was a good idea, against all logic, to start going to bars, partying and overall making up for all the time lost in quarantine/lockdown. The suspected person that started it all(again suspected because contact tracing is still going on), is from Rotterdam, the Netherlands. Rotterdam and Amsterdam are the two cities in NL seeing a rapid rise in cases.

Everything is under control. They upscaled the testing, now involving more labs then just the hospital lab. Contact tracing is also being done incredibly fast by both the public health department and word of mouth from positive tested people through social media.

No reason to panic. It shouldn't surprise anyone if we reach something like 400 or 500 cases. Which would still fal under the "under control" category as most are young people who do not need hospitalization.

LisaGrn
08-07-2020, 08:15 PM
Agree with you 100%, Walt.


I think Aruba should close their border as soon as possible. I know folks will disagree with me because they want to go to Aruba and they are entitled and selfish and Aruba is where they go. But Aruba needs to take care of their own first and foremost. We can all go again when it's safe for Aruba and safe for us. And I lost almost 2000 bucks not being able to go in April so I don't feel sorry for you, I feel sorry for Aruba and her people. I hope the PM and MinTour agree with me.

ArubaAce
08-07-2020, 08:59 PM
I think Aruba should close their border as soon as possible. I know folks will disagree with me because they want to go to Aruba and they are entitled and selfish and Aruba is where they go. But Aruba needs to take care of their own first and foremost. We can all go again when it's safe for Aruba and safe for us. And I lost almost 2000 bucks not being able to go in April so I don't feel sorry for you, I feel sorry for Aruba and her people. I hope the PM and MinTour agree with me. I agree with you Walt. I'm also losing money on timeshare maintenance I paid, exchange to Aruba etc but safety first. Also with numbers of daily positive cases some will have symptoms, some require hospitalization and they might not be able to handle the volume of sick people including tourist who paid for their insurance. I say close down and protect your people health before wealth.

When Florida cases were going up and it was mostly young people, around Miami, Dade County, Broward County, people were saying of the positive cases are on account that more testing is being done. Yea and now with full hospital beds, ICU, 9 to 10K cases daily, 100 to 200 people dying everyday people are starting to take it seriously. The infected were young as well..I do wish Aruba's people the best but all I'm saying is to take precaution and take this virus seriously as there is no cure, vaccine and it does not discriminate whether you are young, old etc. A tiger at one of our zoos in NY caught the virus from the zoo keeper so what does that tell you..

brady bear
08-07-2020, 09:36 PM
Deep down inside and as much as I want to go I but do agree with others
Yes, I am being selfish; but safety is number one. We too will lose money but it is what it is.
Airlines are curtailing flights as well.
People need to stop being so lay back; letting their guards down and continue with
all the "precautions" until it hits "home" they will continue to do what they want to .

robin
08-07-2020, 10:24 PM
Soooo much misinformation around.

No, the borders will not close unless hospital capacity is reached.

No, it wasn't because of the American tourists. It was because those local party peeps decided it was a good idea, against all logic, to start going to bars, partying and overall making up for all the time lost in quarantine/lockdown. The suspected person that started it all(again suspected because contact tracing is still going on), is from Rotterdam, the Netherlands. Rotterdam and Amsterdam are the two cities in NL seeing a rapid rise in cases.

Everything is under control. They upscaled the testing, now involving more labs then just the hospital lab. Contact tracing is also being done incredibly fast by both the public health department and word of mouth from positive tested people through social media.

No reason to panic. It shouldn't surprise anyone if we reach something like 400 or 500 cases. Which would still fal under the "under control" category as most are young people who do not need hospitalization.

While most of the sick are young, those young people may have been with parents and grandparents or tourist who are not so young or young people with an underlying condition.

ArubaAce
08-07-2020, 11:26 PM
While most of the sick are young, those young people may have been with parents and grandparents or tourist who are not so young or young people with an underlying condition. Excellent Point! Lets hope for the best and better stats tomorrow, this weekend..

sundialSoft
08-08-2020, 04:01 AM
Thanks for the updated information. One thing is certain, the pandemic will eventually go away and tourism will recover. For the next year or so we will see efforts towards vaccines and better treatments bringing covid under control in the more developed parts of the world. Until then we have to remain vigilant and prepared so we all come through this. The most important thing is to ensure Aruba does not have an uncontrolled situation.

(I won't lose money if the border closes because KLM will give me a voucher and the hotel has not taken any cash so it's simply a case of waiting to see if we can come. That depends on things improving as I don't want to end up locked down on Aruba with no way home.)

bobbyaruba
08-08-2020, 08:39 AM
I'm sorry to say---close down border until 2021.....we just cancelled our trip...it's a tough pill to swallow

Brenda
08-08-2020, 08:51 AM
Soooo much misinformation around.

No, the borders will not close unless hospital capacity is reached.

No, it wasn't because of the American tourists. It was because those local party peeps decided it was a good idea, against all logic, to start going to bars, partying and overall making up for all the time lost in quarantine/lockdown. The suspected person that started it all(again suspected because contact tracing is still going on), is from Rotterdam, the Netherlands. Rotterdam and Amsterdam are the two cities in NL seeing a rapid rise in cases.

Everything is under control. They upscaled the testing, now involving more labs then just the hospital lab. Contact tracing is also being done incredibly fast by both the public health department and word of mouth from positive tested people through social media.

No reason to panic. It shouldn't surprise anyone if we reach something like 400 or 500 cases. Which would still fal under the "under control" category as most are young people who do not need hospitalization.

I am so sorry but this information is wrong, nothing is under control, the contrary.
I am in contact with a doctor who has a view on the situation.

133 people out of 829 were tested positive, this is huge and an indication that the real number may be 10 times higher.

Imagine that with only 7 IC beds, on a population of 105.000.

To blame the locals for this is really infuriating.
They were free of Corona until tourists were allowed back in.

Of course the government will not blame tourism, the island depends on tourism, so the locals partied to hard.

The reality is that many older Arubans may fall sick and not getting proper medical care due to allowing in tourists too soon.

gortvaan
08-08-2020, 09:41 AM
Respectfully disagree. You contact doctor misinformed you about number of ICU beds, it is actually 33. Makes me wonder about credibility of information.
i think it is up to local government and people to make decisions. We should stop giving advise and accept their judgment.

Andrea J.
08-08-2020, 09:53 AM
https://www.arubahospital.com/about-hoh/

I was unable to find the amount of ICU beds on the hospital site.
I am not quite awake, so that might be the problem. ;)

Andrea J.
08-08-2020, 10:18 AM
13 April 2020 - Dr. Horacio E. Oduber Hospital, the only hospital on Aruba, which originally had 6 ICU beds had already increased its capacity to 21, and now has 33 ICU beds.




COVID-19 pandemic in Aruba - Wikipedia

(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Aruba)

Brenda
08-08-2020, 10:22 AM
Respectfully disagree. You contact doctor misinformed you about number of ICU beds, it is actually 33. Makes me wonder about credibility of information.
i think it is up to local government and people to make decisions. We should stop giving advise and accept their judgment.

The doctor only informed me of the number of tests performed and what could be concluded from this.

Aruba has had only 6 ICU beds for years, in April that was escalated to 33 through our government (I am Dutch, Aruba is part of our kingdom) , but that was at the covid peak. I am unaware if the units are still in use, or replaced.

Here is an article:
https://www.government.aw/news/news_47033/item/aruba-expands-its-icu-capacity-from-6-to-33-units_49093.html

I am not advising anyone. It is very impolite to openly suggest another user not being credible.

Lockdown of Aruba is imminent, this is my opinion.

Andrea J.
08-08-2020, 10:27 AM
I believe that Gortvann was NOT impolite or disrespectful.


We allow for discussion, that is respectful.


The doctor only informed me of the number of tests performed and what could be concluded from this.

Aruba has had only 6 ICU beds for years, in April that was escalated to 33 through our government (I am Dutch, Aruba is part of our kingdom) , but that was at the covid peak. I am unaware if the units are still in use, or replaced.

Here is an article:
https://www.government.aw/news/news_47033/item/aruba-expands-its-icu-capacity-from-6-to-33-units_49093.html

I am not advising anyone. It is very impolite to openly suggest another user not being credible.

Lockdown of Aruba is imminent, this is my opinion.

Andrea J.
08-08-2020, 10:35 AM
So here we are Aug 8.
Closing this thread and as soon as we get #'s and info for Aug 8 another thread will be created.
It should be at or after 1 pm after the Prime Minister makes her daily update.

SuperBunches
08-08-2020, 11:50 AM
Thank you to everyone for all of the thoughtful input. I am scheduled to go back to my favorite island in 19 days, but it looks like we will cancel.

As a nurse with many years of experience (including critical care and trauma), I can tell you that increasing the number of ICU beds from 6 to 33 is wonderful, but you also must have a skilled staff to be able to care for the critically ill. Those ventilators don't run themselves. If Aruba has gotten by with only 6 ICU beds for years, I can be pretty sure that they don't have enough ICU physicians, nurses and respiratory therapists to run at 33 without significant stress. The skills needed to care for ventilated patients are skills that need to be exercised regularly, and not something that you can learn reading a manual or handbook.

I do hope they can get this under control, and quickly. We are suffering the world over. We are all in this together. It is my sincerest hope that everyone is staying safe and following the guidelines set forth by the REAL, CREDENTIALED INFECTIOUS DISEASE SPECIALISTS. I know many families that have been affected by this virus. Some with minimal sickness, but many who lost family members or who were seriously and continuously ill.

Let's hope we can all get back to Aruba soon.

Be well, Deb

robin
08-08-2020, 11:50 AM
So here we are Aug 8.
Closing this thread and as soon as we get #'s and info for Aug 8 another thread will be created.
It should be at or after 1 pm after the Prime Minister makes her daily update.
Is there a site other than FB where the PM posts the daily updates?

cmynes
08-08-2020, 12:40 PM
Is there a site other than FB where the PM posts the daily updates?
Yes there is a site that posts additional cases daily for the day before. Here is the link.

https://www.visitaruba.com/news/general/corona-virus-and-travel-to-aruba/

Andrea J.
08-08-2020, 02:25 PM
this Link is for the Aruba Public Health Dept/Agency
https://www.facebook.com/desparuba/

it gives updates in real time.



Yes there is a site that posts additional cases daily for the day before. Here is the link.

https://www.visitaruba.com/news/general/corona-virus-and-travel-to-aruba/